meepo now the absolute broken hero with no counter beside area stun. make 1 clone down to 40% with all stun we have, that clone gonna be full health in 5 sec canmot even lose any health due to massive lifesteal.
I dont think there has ever been a patch where over a dozen heros seem super problematic. In the past there may have been one or two heros that got overly buffed and then ironed out a week later. whereas there has never been a patch which has introduced this much unbalance.
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This patch is Garbage. They made a lot of changes simply to say "hey we are doing shit" Because Crown needed to be a Thing? Because now every game I see Morphs buying 4 wraithbands hitting like they do at lvl 25. Slarks with 2 items attacking faster than a 6 slotted slark because he ate the AA or Grimstroke over and over again. Nerfed heroes that needed buffs. SF has had a 44% win-rate for a lnog time now and his Buff reads "+1 armour" and Oh hey you get gold now on denies instead of XP. Because Gold was always SF's problem... Right. I really hope they fix this garbage. Heroes going into high 60%'s is unheard of. its ridiculous. and to all of you saying "free game" Its not free. Every loyal half serious player of this game buys compendiums and Dota+. so its not "Free" I want to see minor tweaks. Fucknig add one ability at a time. Not this overhaul bullshit. Don't fix it if it isn't broke dumbasses.
The game was stale. This breathes new life into it. The op heroes will be nerfed and it will be good again. This is an old game that was dying and now it has some freshness to it. You should be happy not crying.
If the game was perfectly balanced it would get boring so fast. The way you guys would run Dota would see it die within a year or two. After 11 months of a stale game, i'm a big fan of a patch to shake it all up.
Have to say some words. If you are play more than 4 years you can see how game changed so much. 7.00 is the 1st biggest changed of the dota2. 7.07 is uprade of the 7.00 and similar like 7.00 not 6.88f. But right now with this 7.20 patch neither 7.00 nor 6.88. This is something different. I miss 6.88f days.
Today i read almost entire update ( bored in hero changes in letter "L" because text so long.) and say some heroes so imba. For example If you pick dazzle and slark in safelane. Probably game gg. If you are good meepo player, just pick midlane hero and game gg. Or Luna is so imba. Picked 11 games slark today. Won 10 game, just 1 game dropped because someone picked nerfed drow ranger midlane lol.
Supports can be play carry so easily right now. Its not fair. Just want to tell something. If you open dota 2 client and open heroes section you can see all heroes. you can select complexity, pusher, carry,support etc. when you select pusher you can see drow ranger am i right? With this patch drow ranger not pusher. if you select support you see lion. Lion's carry bar is not filled. Right now he is in midlane imba hero. As you can see game changed that so much.
Last patch you cannot play puck, death prophet, chen so much. When i play dota2, i enter this website and always click trends. Hoped everyday almost every hero close to %50+- . But right now you can see 3 heroes upside of %60 ( meepo close to %70) and 3 heroes under %40 ( biggest loser Outworld Devourer close to %30). So valve dont balance the game. Its business. They have to change game because players getting bored day after. Valve gains money from this changes. And Valve didnt ask us. Are we happy for this update? Nope.
If you ask me which patch was the perfect patch. I can perfectly say after TI6 this game is done.
edit: played slark against troll warlord. Troll warlord's ultimate so goddamn imba. we killed troll but when he death his ultimate negative stack to me like vengeful's passive. But found a bug which troll's passive never deleted. his passive debuff my slark's ultimate so i never regenerated.
Can someone explain why OD has 30% winrate? I feel he is actually better than he was, like you can get 1000 mana replenished just with astral and equilibrium. Also his Arcane Orb now does splash damage which accelerates his farm. I dont understand why he gets -12% winrate, like wtf???
Because people are going crazy picking all the heroes that received the most changes while barely reading the patches at all. Give it a few weeks to see the real winrates.
Helpful reminder that Earth Spirit with stun on his 3rd skill debuted with 30% winrate, Ember Spirit with about 100 extra damage (before all the nerfs) to each one of his skills debuted with 38% winrate and freshly reworked Void, whose Time Dilation also had an effect on skills which you hadn't cast yet debuted at 40% winrate.
Lots of useless heros now. Lich. Ancient App. Complete garbage. Why WOULDN'T you pick Lion over either of those two? He can play hard pos 5 and end up doing massive damage later.
Dunno who is balancing shit over at valve but they need to go, like now.
I agree with the new Frost shield on Lich, BUT WHYY REMOVE SACRIFICE?? Thats like his signature lane winning skill, now remove GPM talent?? How the hell is the guy gonna scale into late game with no items. lich rework was unnecessary
Broodmother Spiderling + Tuskar's Team work can one hit kill even with a lvl25 heart of tarrasque axe. At lvl 7, they can one shot any hero at that time. Can also kill roshan too fast.
Rubick sometimes make a 7 seconds telekenesis bug due to his Arcane Supremacy skill. Not to mention, you can easily chain lock stuns by abusing that passive. A 44% debuff amplification is too much. Imagine if he steal Chaos Bolt and land a 4 sec stun. Thats a 5.76sec stun ffs.
Dazzle with his Bad JuJu is stupid. A 50% cd reduction ulti is op, btw it includes his items. And everytime you cast a spell, enemies around you decreases their armor. You can cast Shallow Grave for a 5sec buff in 7.5sec cd. With a octarine core (add multiplicative), you have a 5.62 sec cd. Jesus Christ.
I also witness a lot of imba. No one will pick lycan anymore coz balanar is better in all aspects coz of his 50/100/150 bonus dmg ulti. The unkillable Meepo with his trusty manta illusions tanking first. Cancer AM returns with his broken 4 secs cd Spell Shield.
before 7.20 drow easily kill any creep with her agi ult, it is clearly better than instantly kill creep cause she usually can 3 shoot lane creep at 20 min.
the aspd aura not helping so much for controlling lane and cs.
she is not even a viable fast pusher rn
She can only push fast with mael+aghs, but you probably don't want to invest in those items without any synergy or potential to be a high position hero...
I feel like a lot of what people are calling OP will be fully understood in a week, at the minute things are OP because you don't understand them, or your team doesn't, or so much has changed and people just want to try new abilities and new items. Give it a week or two and it'll be back to normal and everything will have settled down.
I'm probably wrong but I'll admit im low mmr and play for fun.
If they weren't OP, they wouldn't have drastically nerfed several heroes within a day. A lot of these reworked abilities had no thought put into how the hero is played, or how their abilities synergized.
I don't know, is it the job of icefrog to consider how the meta plays every hero and keep it that way? If he did that the game wouldn't ever change. It'll take time for people to work out new builds and new ways of playing heroes that fit to their strengths after the reworks, as opposed to playing them the same as usual, new drow shouldn't be built and played the same way as old drow, you know what I'm saying?
redditors are ok with it
that's all that matters
all of these changes are fun and enhancing and adding complexity to the game :-)
I like it. Kinda sad the old storm died with it tho
my god, what have valve done.
Luna+Io combo is absurdly broken
Od and drow are now deceased
Void now has passive echo sabre
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are u guys new to dota or waht? this is normal
"So you are ok with the game being an unplayable mess for a couple months???"
nothing new here
meepo now the absolute broken hero with no counter beside area stun. make 1 clone down to 40% with all stun we have, that clone gonna be full health in 5 sec canmot even lose any health due to massive lifesteal.
(im jk) wtf is wrong i doubt this is Icefrog too tbh having played this game for 12 years idek guys
Keeper ult is so beautiful .
Also whats up with people buying 4 bracer in top watch ?????????
Meepo can't do anything against huskar
Only retar. ded fu. ck can make this topic first day of new patch. If you not like changes go f. uck yourself.
Some heroes are broken but isn't it every patch
It's been even worse. Not a big deal. Patch is fine. People will always find a reason to complain..
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This patch is Garbage. They made a lot of changes simply to say "hey we are doing shit" Because Crown needed to be a Thing? Because now every game I see Morphs buying 4 wraithbands hitting like they do at lvl 25. Slarks with 2 items attacking faster than a 6 slotted slark because he ate the AA or Grimstroke over and over again. Nerfed heroes that needed buffs. SF has had a 44% win-rate for a lnog time now and his Buff reads "+1 armour" and Oh hey you get gold now on denies instead of XP. Because Gold was always SF's problem... Right. I really hope they fix this garbage. Heroes going into high 60%'s is unheard of. its ridiculous. and to all of you saying "free game" Its not free. Every loyal half serious player of this game buys compendiums and Dota+. so its not "Free" I want to see minor tweaks. Fucknig add one ability at a time. Not this overhaul bullshit. Don't fix it if it isn't broke dumbasses.
I love this patch. Any patch that makes Parma cry on db is great!
Man I love p9^ now!!!
The game was stale. This breathes new life into it. The op heroes will be nerfed and it will be good again. This is an old game that was dying and now it has some freshness to it. You should be happy not crying.
buff meepo plz
If the game was perfectly balanced it would get boring so fast. The way you guys would run Dota would see it die within a year or two. After 11 months of a stale game, i'm a big fan of a patch to shake it all up.
Have to say some words. If you are play more than 4 years you can see how game changed so much. 7.00 is the 1st biggest changed of the dota2. 7.07 is uprade of the 7.00 and similar like 7.00 not 6.88f. But right now with this 7.20 patch neither 7.00 nor 6.88. This is something different. I miss 6.88f days.
Today i read almost entire update ( bored in hero changes in letter "L" because text so long.) and say some heroes so imba. For example If you pick dazzle and slark in safelane. Probably game gg. If you are good meepo player, just pick midlane hero and game gg. Or Luna is so imba. Picked 11 games slark today. Won 10 game, just 1 game dropped because someone picked nerfed drow ranger midlane lol.
Supports can be play carry so easily right now. Its not fair. Just want to tell something. If you open dota 2 client and open heroes section you can see all heroes. you can select complexity, pusher, carry,support etc. when you select pusher you can see drow ranger am i right? With this patch drow ranger not pusher. if you select support you see lion. Lion's carry bar is not filled. Right now he is in midlane imba hero. As you can see game changed that so much.
Last patch you cannot play puck, death prophet, chen so much. When i play dota2, i enter this website and always click trends. Hoped everyday almost every hero close to %50+- . But right now you can see 3 heroes upside of %60 ( meepo close to %70) and 3 heroes under %40 ( biggest loser Outworld Devourer close to %30). So valve dont balance the game. Its business. They have to change game because players getting bored day after. Valve gains money from this changes. And Valve didnt ask us. Are we happy for this update? Nope.
If you ask me which patch was the perfect patch. I can perfectly say after TI6 this game is done.
edit: played slark against troll warlord. Troll warlord's ultimate so goddamn imba. we killed troll but when he death his ultimate negative stack to me like vengeful's passive. But found a bug which troll's passive never deleted. his passive debuff my slark's ultimate so i never regenerated.
i truly dont understand how you accept this game.
worse than hoho haha
Can someone explain why OD has 30% winrate? I feel he is actually better than he was, like you can get 1000 mana replenished just with astral and equilibrium. Also his Arcane Orb now does splash damage which accelerates his farm. I dont understand why he gets -12% winrate, like wtf???
Because people are going crazy picking all the heroes that received the most changes while barely reading the patches at all. Give it a few weeks to see the real winrates.
Helpful reminder that Earth Spirit with stun on his 3rd skill debuted with 30% winrate, Ember Spirit with about 100 extra damage (before all the nerfs) to each one of his skills debuted with 38% winrate and freshly reworked Void, whose Time Dilation also had an effect on skills which you hadn't cast yet debuted at 40% winrate.
People are just idiots.
Trust me you will still play this game over and over what ever patch comes out
So instead of complaining how broken some heroes are, why don't you just think a strategy to gain some mmr
Lots of useless heros now. Lich. Ancient App. Complete garbage. Why WOULDN'T you pick Lion over either of those two? He can play hard pos 5 and end up doing massive damage later.
Dunno who is balancing shit over at valve but they need to go, like now.
am isnt even good...STILL. i like the changes its fun
I agree with the new Frost shield on Lich, BUT WHYY REMOVE SACRIFICE?? Thats like his signature lane winning skill, now remove GPM talent?? How the hell is the guy gonna scale into late game with no items. lich rework was unnecessary
I've seen a lot of broken hero.
Broodmother Spiderling + Tuskar's Team work can one hit kill even with a lvl25 heart of tarrasque axe. At lvl 7, they can one shot any hero at that time. Can also kill roshan too fast.
Rubick sometimes make a 7 seconds telekenesis bug due to his Arcane Supremacy skill. Not to mention, you can easily chain lock stuns by abusing that passive. A 44% debuff amplification is too much. Imagine if he steal Chaos Bolt and land a 4 sec stun. Thats a 5.76sec stun ffs.
Dazzle with his Bad JuJu is stupid. A 50% cd reduction ulti is op, btw it includes his items. And everytime you cast a spell, enemies around you decreases their armor. You can cast Shallow Grave for a 5sec buff in 7.5sec cd. With a octarine core (add multiplicative), you have a 5.62 sec cd. Jesus Christ.
I also witness a lot of imba. No one will pick lycan anymore coz balanar is better in all aspects coz of his 50/100/150 bonus dmg ulti. The unkillable Meepo with his trusty manta illusions tanking first. Cancer AM returns with his broken 4 secs cd Spell Shield.
Can't wait to play dota 2 this weekend.
Lich staring contest.... Intriguing :D
meepo is still broken after 7.20b and od is still complete dumpster in teamfights
nice fucking patch
gotta love 900 gpm bounty hunter who hit 100 creeps.
At least some issues were addressed.
I still don't think Drow's utli should be completely disabled like the old one was.
Update 7.20b and i can't believe this happened.
Slark: Now only steals agility when he kills the enemy himself.
When pudge or silencer in area of enemy death each one get attirubute but slark needs kill enemy himself. this is not fair man.
before 7.20 drow easily kill any creep with her agi ult, it is clearly better than instantly kill creep cause she usually can 3 shoot lane creep at 20 min.
the aspd aura not helping so much for controlling lane and cs.
she is not even a viable fast pusher rn
She can only push fast with mael+aghs, but you probably don't want to invest in those items without any synergy or potential to be a high position hero...
fuck this game can't wait for wc3 reforged to play instead of this garbage game.
Just looking at mana regen is bloodstone better or worse now?
Also what exactly changed to treants Q that caused his winrate to drop so hard
so guys...parma did it
she bullied ice frog into making a balance patch after 1 day
I feel like a lot of what people are calling OP will be fully understood in a week, at the minute things are OP because you don't understand them, or your team doesn't, or so much has changed and people just want to try new abilities and new items. Give it a week or two and it'll be back to normal and everything will have settled down.
I'm probably wrong but I'll admit im low mmr and play for fun.
If they weren't OP, they wouldn't have drastically nerfed several heroes within a day. A lot of these reworked abilities had no thought put into how the hero is played, or how their abilities synergized.
I don't know, is it the job of icefrog to consider how the meta plays every hero and keep it that way? If he did that the game wouldn't ever change. It'll take time for people to work out new builds and new ways of playing heroes that fit to their strengths after the reworks, as opposed to playing them the same as usual, new drow shouldn't be built and played the same way as old drow, you know what I'm saying?
Yea new drow shouldnt be played
you know...
bacon is still meta tho.
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two or three more balance updates and the game might be playable