looks like it would be decent on any heavy caster hero that can afford to leave a slot for it and can get it at a reasonable time
storm needs bs/orchid, zeus needs regen beforehand, so I wonder how it'd work, someone mentioned caster sf but I don't like the idea because it's turning a hero that hits buildings into a hero that is shit at hitting buildings in general
let's wait for items called sange and kaya and kaya and yasha and then we'll figure who it fits lul
^Oh shit now you mention it
I just remembered back in HoN they have the INT saber too
And you can combine with the two other saber to make the ultimate Dawnbringer
And like Yasha can be made into Manta or Sange can be made into Halberd
The Lightbrand can be upgraded into Grimoire
Casting spells cost less mana.
And if AM or anyone with Mana Break hits you, you lose less mana too.
i think the problem with the mana loss reduction is that heroes that take away your mana usually do it really fast and lock you down in some way (usually by slowing you)
I don't think it's going to be very effective except maybe against EMP and mana drain, I don't see it being useful against heroes who can just keep attacking you anyways
then again diffusal is NOW COUNTERED BY GHOST STATES
I thought I would never write that sentence, but since it no longer dispels anything, ghost scepter counters diffusal because people can't hit you to take away your mana if you're ghosted
...isn't it pretty self explanatory?
Your spells cost 10% less mana to cast and heroes who can burn mana will burn 10% less of it.
Edit: Nevermind, 2 people posted it before me.
i suppose i will buy it on lion coz i need to play a greedy pos4 lion now coz of talent changes.
Lina and Sky could really use this too. I often don't have enough mana for their ults.
In a way, mana cost reduction is like mana pool.
how about storm tho
he has a percentage based mana cost spell, reducing that percentage by 10% would let you jump farther, right?
not sure if it is worth it at the time you get it tho, it's kind of a "win more" item when you'd prefer to just get your treads bs orchid asap and rape people anyways, I don't think it really helps when you're behind or cannot even get your core items
its so slot inefficient but this + lens on tinker is ridiculous. you have way more mana to play around with
if it even becomes combinable with SNY it might be good on dusa, the 10% mana shit works on her shield
^I am 100% sure valve will find the way to include it in combinations with yasha and sange but the way I see it right now it just doesn't seem that good on right clicking cores, even though some might benefit from it a lot
imagine shadowfiend with a sny-like item but with this snuck into, granted the item would cost 6k gold but it'd add up to some amazing bonuses, he'd be pretty good at right clicking but his nukes would also be really good and cheap
as singsing said "dota is basically dota imba now"
I just watched the monkeys twitch. That new hammer is just op. One hammer and takes 30% of tower. This is insane with kotl with 350 cast range on lvl 15.
I think int yasha or sange should be pure dmg (10 %) conventer. So anyone can buy it.
sange and yasha are kind of niche items in that they are best built on heroes with corresponding attributes, and the int sword should not be different
when combined however the idea is that they could have the potential to be built on any hero regardless of many things
int heroes never get SnY for that reason - no int sword
the only int hero that used to get SnY back in dota 1 (but a really really long time ago) was silencer, because he didn't really need the int, he just needed a way to keep hitting shit and attack speed was nice
um this is pretty good on zeus
pugna
even tho zeus wants regen this is kinda like a veil replacement, it has 100% uptime and it gives u more mana to play with
maybe dp
maybe mid jakiro
u cud do something with ember but i doubt it
mid aa?
skywrath
u cud probably solo roshan with this and veil on underlord
maybe viper gets it now
Would the mana loss apply to percentage base mana cost spells like ball if lightning and unrefined blast?
Anyways dark willow and tinker sound good
Take into account that this is a very cheap item, so the pool that this is viable on may be very wide
it is not cheap at all because most caster heroes need to get other items to begin with
veil improves your damage in a more bursty sense but only works for magical damage
aether provides all the regen you will need
you likely want a force staff or ghost scepter to survive
if you're storm you want bloodstone, if you're qop you want orchid/veil
we still have to figure how/when to fit it into the build
another reason it is not cheap is that it costs one slot
OD orb damage is calculated after you use mana, so lower mana cost helps. and the spell amp is very good i thinks.
I mean with these new changes this item would even be viable on Shadow Fiend caster build with which you can do 570 damage per raze, with ~30% spell amp, Eblade and over 50% Cooldown Reduction.
I still think this is going to be a core on tinker (and that would close his 6 slots, BoT, soul ring, blink, lens, kaya, scepter)
It would allow him to cycle more before going back to base, would amplify his burst (more reliably than veil) and overall seems like a great item on him
good on jakiro, silencer, witch doctor, oracle, leshrac, lina.
good item on pos 5, but not so much on pos 1 / 2.
^^^Then OD should use that 2k gold to buy Midas, Blink Dagger, Pike or anything that make him hits faster, that's more DPS and INT steal. Hell, even the 7.06 Aether Lens is better on OD than this Kaya.
@Frank Pos 5 should leave the damage to the cores and build utility instead
That's the whole fucking problem, it's like steroid item for INT heroes, but it's 2k gold and there are tons of better items to get instead of steroid on INT caster heroes which won't scale and you'll probably sell soon.
Unless they launch new items that it can be upgraded into, it's just not worth the slot.
Its not very useful tbh. Lens is better for most casters because it actually gives regen (much better than cost reduction) and veil for ones that dont need lens. I can only see leshrac buying this.
No i mean convent all going dmg to 10% pure. This should be nice dps item. I mean all dealing dmg. Troll pa etc. Idk but icant expeess my new item idea due my my lack of endlandsky.
valve gonna build it into sny so it might be good on some right clickers that also do insane spell damage who knows
^Orchid gives more dmg, more INT, mana regen & Silence on top of it. Why would u delay it for this shit item?
nobody talks about it, but KAYA synergizes with Bloodstone, which will provide 10% more mana supply, which is HUGE in a new system. Both Srotm and tinker are going for kaya now
^Orchid gives AS & more INT, not to mention u get dmg from it's active. There is no way Kaya does more dmg lol. How can 10% spell amp gives more dmg than 35% amplification from orchid from all sources. Kaya is also a dead end item & Orchid upgrades into one of the best late game items.
^ Don't forget it's also one of the most easily purged debuff items in DotA..... Kaya is not going to be dispelled and you will benefit from the bonuses 100% of the time as there's no active.
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