alright thanks & do you think that blue is better than red? on one hand i feel like the blue switches might be cool because of their sound & the force you need to actually use the buttons, on the other hand im scared that theyre gonna b loud as fuck and maybe even "too hard" to press, do you have a mech keyboard and if so which switches do you use?
blues are not hard to press. reds are only slightly lighter than blues, but blues are still light to press. heavier switches are blacks, greens and clears. reds, blues and browns are the lighter versions of the latter switches, respectively.
if you're unsure of what switch to get, google "cherry mx switch tester" or better, see if there's a store near you that has mech keyboards on display, as using a switch tester is not the same experience as typing on a keyboard.
if you're still unsure of whether blues are going to be too loud for you (or people living with you), you can get "o-rings" which are rubber rings you put underneath the keycap which reduces the sound of the switch bottoming out i.e. when the top of the keycap hits the switch. mech keyboards tend to be loud from the 'clack' sound from bottoming out, rather than the click sound.
personally I would not recommend corsair keyboards, right now I own a k65 and a kbt pure pro. not that they're 'bad' but there's most likely better ones in a similar price range. one thing to note about corsair keyboards is their bottom row (space bar row) is not the common standard, which is an issue if you are going to be buying aftermarket keycap sets (since stock keycaps on most keyboards are shit).
this is one reason I personally would not recommend the k65 over a CM storm quickfire rapid or a k70 over a filco majestouch or ducky shine for example. if you want rgb lighting or you like the brushed aluminium look of the corsair keyboards, then by all means get one. I don't see any reason to get a strafe though, pretty sure the case is plastic, so you may as well get a mech with a standard row and more switch options.
assuming from your steam profile that you're actually german, I tried to find DE layouts for you (qwertz and ISO enter key)
amazon €90 - CM storm quickfire rapid-i (rapid-i = backlit, rapid = not backlit) in brown or red. the pictures on amazon are US layout but the pictures people have posted are DE layout.
I would advise basically everyone to get a tenkeyless keyboard unless they are doing data entry jobs. most people never or rarely use the numpad and having your hand and keyboard closer together and pointing slightly inwards (or at least straight) is better than them pointing outwards.
amazon €105 CM storm quickfire rapid XT - if you still want a full size keyboard. also DE layout
havoc the apex 350 is not mechanical, the m800 is, although it's shit because it uses proprietary switches which means replacement keycaps are non-existant if you don't like stock keycaps or you want to replace backlit keycaps that wear away with use.
DE layout isn't common so idk if I can find a good mech that's DE layout and in blue switches, so you might have to go with ISO UK layout or US ANSI layout, but if you think you want blue switches, I can find some.
i mean if we are selling shit here i have a bunch of tournament winnings im not using
gtx570
asus gaming mouse
asus backpack + t shirt
steel series apex keyboard
this orange gaming headset i can't be arsed to check name of.
@shred you to bits. i got the same keyboard (not mechnical) from a tournament... obviously havoc being across the world was at a different tournament i presume, but it was probably a sponsored winning for whoever hosted the tournament. and yes, it's pretty fucking dumb they give away a non-mechanical keyboard to tryhard gamers (because the winners get it), its literally useless. but i guess they are just cheap.
I have a Ducky Zero (tkl) with Cherry MX Blues, just wanna point out that o-rings didn't help much in reducing the noise. It's harder to bottom out the keys though, there's less travel distance too.
what are tenkeyless keyboards
also whats the point of mechanical keyboards i mean i just need a keyboard which is responsive
also i dont want to waste energy clicking my spells so my laptop keys work fine
Not that spectacular, usually my controllers and headphones are stashed in the desk drawers, but left out for the photo op. The top fan on my case burned out so I have one lonely led in front. I also wanted a black or brown desk but my wife made me get white to match hers lol. Lights are always out though so I don't really care about the desk color, but that doesn't make for a good photo.
To quote Moku: "Most of the time, the only difference between a 'Gaming' mechanical keyboard, and a non-gaming one is that the former is overpriced."
That's the reason why I bought a Cherry MX Board 3.0 - same (probably even better) quality as gaming keyboards, but for half the price. Only thing "missing" is illuminated keys. And it has versions with MX red/black/blue/brown switches. I prefer the latter, but that depends a lot on your personal preference... testing them out in a store surely helps.
oh yeah i forgot to answer u mokujin my spacebar is flipped
@ritsu = best girl
TL;DR mechs last much longer, feel better to type on, cause less fatigue, and are customisable
mechanical keyboards tend to last longer than non-mechanical ones because they use proper switches in order to register keypresses. non mechanicals use rubber domes to provide resistance to keypresses, while mechanicals use springs. metal springs are far more durable so the keypress will feel the same over heavy use (talking several years here) while in a non mechanical, rubber dome keyboard, the domes tend to weaken within a year of use, making keys feel less consistent e.g. sometimes you'll get 2 keypresses, sometimes they won't input anything at all etc, and often used keys will feel different to less used keys.
also mechs don't need to bottom out (press key all the way down) in order to register keypresses. they tend to register in the middle which means you don't have to press the keycap as hard, and also certain switch types have a tactile bump and/or make a click sound in the middle of them which lets you feel when the keypress has been registered. not having to press the key all the way down means they actuate sooner, plus requiring less force to actuate in the first place results in less fatigue when typing/gaming for long periods of time.
even though mechanical keyboards start at around $80, they'll last far longer than several cheap keyboards, so in the long run they aren't that expensive. it's like buying a good pair of shoes that'll last you a few years rather than buying cheaper shoes that you have to replace every year.
also there are several different switch types which are pretty much user preference when choosing which one. switches can vary in the amount of force needed to press it down, whether or not there's a tactile bump, and whether or not there's a click sound when the key is pressed. also since each key has an individual switch it makes repairing them easier, while if one key is broken on a rubber dome there's no fixing it, you just get a new one.
@papa wilson you can be more specific if neither of those interest you.
I've had my saitek cheap ass backlit keyboard for 6 years and it works fine. Do you guys regular keyboards really wear out faster than that? I never get keyboard fatigue, only game fatigue I get is when playing dungeon crawlers that are mouse controlled like diablo or torchlight and holding down mouse buttons to move and attack.
why dont you jsut post selfies while ur at it
PM me I send you one.
Make it public, no h0mo
dude that place is awesome havoc, nice setup! so neat
wtf how much did the got eggs cost
kailh switches WutFace
or is that an older blackwidow
@andro its this one http://www.razerzone.com/gb-en/store/razer-blackwidow-tournament-edition-chroma
@alison I got them as a gift for my partner a couple years ago for like £100 or something
public selfie or riot
btw mockingjay sucks so much lol, worst final book ever smh
That GPU and the sword, pretty damn sick :)
@Havoc I want your desk <3
http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/50219044/
its awesome ^ but by looking that ikea thing i bet he builded it by himself XD
Yea I build most of my shit myself, I like undertaking work.
Badger SO SMART Kreygasm
bob builder kapparossssssss
after seeing those sexy desk, i want to save and buy a new one
havoc can you recommend a good mechanical keyboard for ~75-100€? (100 max)
actually 120€ max, and if possible with this aluminium style/keys tight next to each other if u know what i mean
http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/site-search?searchQuery=strafe
alright thanks & do you think that blue is better than red? on one hand i feel like the blue switches might be cool because of their sound & the force you need to actually use the buttons, on the other hand im scared that theyre gonna b loud as fuck and maybe even "too hard" to press, do you have a mech keyboard and if so which switches do you use?
@Patrice
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/e-element-rgb-keyboard
GUILTY CROWN PogChamp
actually on another note, I have an apex if anyone is interested https://steelseries.com/gaming-keyboards/apex-350
how do you feel with the spacebar?
Could use some light. Position / size is fine (I have apex 350 too)
interesting
@papa wilson
blues are not hard to press. reds are only slightly lighter than blues, but blues are still light to press. heavier switches are blacks, greens and clears. reds, blues and browns are the lighter versions of the latter switches, respectively.
if you're unsure of what switch to get, google "cherry mx switch tester" or better, see if there's a store near you that has mech keyboards on display, as using a switch tester is not the same experience as typing on a keyboard.
if you're still unsure of whether blues are going to be too loud for you (or people living with you), you can get "o-rings" which are rubber rings you put underneath the keycap which reduces the sound of the switch bottoming out i.e. when the top of the keycap hits the switch. mech keyboards tend to be loud from the 'clack' sound from bottoming out, rather than the click sound.
here's a video demonstrating the muting effects of o rings on several different switch types (blue, brown and red)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWbQvEgWYWI
personally I would not recommend corsair keyboards, right now I own a k65 and a kbt pure pro. not that they're 'bad' but there's most likely better ones in a similar price range. one thing to note about corsair keyboards is their bottom row (space bar row) is not the common standard, which is an issue if you are going to be buying aftermarket keycap sets (since stock keycaps on most keyboards are shit).
this is one reason I personally would not recommend the k65 over a CM storm quickfire rapid or a k70 over a filco majestouch or ducky shine for example. if you want rgb lighting or you like the brushed aluminium look of the corsair keyboards, then by all means get one. I don't see any reason to get a strafe though, pretty sure the case is plastic, so you may as well get a mech with a standard row and more switch options.
assuming from your steam profile that you're actually german, I tried to find DE layouts for you (qwertz and ISO enter key)
amazon
€90 - CM storm quickfire rapid-i (rapid-i = backlit, rapid = not backlit) in brown or red. the pictures on amazon are US layout but the pictures people have posted are DE layout.
I would advise basically everyone to get a tenkeyless keyboard unless they are doing data entry jobs. most people never or rarely use the numpad and having your hand and keyboard closer together and pointing slightly inwards (or at least straight) is better than them pointing outwards.
amazon
€105 CM storm quickfire rapid XT - if you still want a full size keyboard. also DE layout
havoc the apex 350 is not mechanical, the m800 is, although it's shit because it uses proprietary switches which means replacement keycaps are non-existant if you don't like stock keycaps or you want to replace backlit keycaps that wear away with use.
100 eur for a rubber dome is bullshit.
DE layout isn't common so idk if I can find a good mech that's DE layout and in blue switches, so you might have to go with ISO UK layout or US ANSI layout, but if you think you want blue switches, I can find some.
even the razer chroma is better than the m800, that's saying something.
How come that keyboard of 100$ is not mechanical. That's fucking stupid.
cuz swappable rubber feet EleGiggle
Kappa post, I never said the apex was mechanical I said I had one, which I swapped for a mechanical.
are you still alive =,= ?
i mean if we are selling shit here i have a bunch of tournament winnings im not using
gtx570
asus gaming mouse
asus backpack + t shirt
steel series apex keyboard
this orange gaming headset i can't be arsed to check name of.
@shred you to bits. i got the same keyboard (not mechnical) from a tournament... obviously havoc being across the world was at a different tournament i presume, but it was probably a sponsored winning for whoever hosted the tournament. and yes, it's pretty fucking dumb they give away a non-mechanical keyboard to tryhard gamers (because the winners get it), its literally useless. but i guess they are just cheap.
I have a Ducky Zero (tkl) with Cherry MX Blues, just wanna point out that o-rings didn't help much in reducing the noise. It's harder to bottom out the keys though, there's less travel distance too.
Don't get Blues if noise is a real issue.
O-rings: with & without:
Cherry MX Blue switches:
Most of the time, the only difference between a 'Gaming' mechanical keyboard, and a non-gaming one is that the former is overpriced.
+1 for: "get a tenkeyless keyboard (TKL) unless you are doing data entry jobs"
- you save money
- save space on your desk
- TKL is more ergonomic than full-size; easier to use
what are tenkeyless keyboards
also whats the point of mechanical keyboards i mean i just need a keyboard which is responsive
also i dont want to waste energy clicking my spells so my laptop keys work fine
Not that spectacular, usually my controllers and headphones are stashed in the desk drawers, but left out for the photo op. The top fan on my case burned out so I have one lonely led in front. I also wanted a black or brown desk but my wife made me get white to match hers lol. Lights are always out though so I don't really care about the desk color, but that doesn't make for a good photo.
yo what do u want for that utaha figurine
ill give u my dota shit for it
Tenkeyless keyboards = keyboards without a numpad
To quote Moku: "Most of the time, the only difference between a 'Gaming' mechanical keyboard, and a non-gaming one is that the former is overpriced."
That's the reason why I bought a Cherry MX Board 3.0 - same (probably even better) quality as gaming keyboards, but for half the price. Only thing "missing" is illuminated keys. And it has versions with MX red/black/blue/brown switches. I prefer the latter, but that depends a lot on your personal preference... testing them out in a store surely helps.
thanks a lot for all the answers i really appreciate it and thanks @Androgynous for suggesting keyboards that i could take :)
so you guys go apeshit over stupid weebo crap but no comments on my wow mug? get your priorities straight
havoc where is selfie
doubleshot keycaps Kreygasm
oh yeah i forgot to answer u mokujin my spacebar is flipped
@ritsu = best girl
TL;DR mechs last much longer, feel better to type on, cause less fatigue, and are customisable
mechanical keyboards tend to last longer than non-mechanical ones because they use proper switches in order to register keypresses. non mechanicals use rubber domes to provide resistance to keypresses, while mechanicals use springs. metal springs are far more durable so the keypress will feel the same over heavy use (talking several years here) while in a non mechanical, rubber dome keyboard, the domes tend to weaken within a year of use, making keys feel less consistent e.g. sometimes you'll get 2 keypresses, sometimes they won't input anything at all etc, and often used keys will feel different to less used keys.
also mechs don't need to bottom out (press key all the way down) in order to register keypresses. they tend to register in the middle which means you don't have to press the keycap as hard, and also certain switch types have a tactile bump and/or make a click sound in the middle of them which lets you feel when the keypress has been registered. not having to press the key all the way down means they actuate sooner, plus requiring less force to actuate in the first place results in less fatigue when typing/gaming for long periods of time.
even though mechanical keyboards start at around $80, they'll last far longer than several cheap keyboards, so in the long run they aren't that expensive. it's like buying a good pair of shoes that'll last you a few years rather than buying cheaper shoes that you have to replace every year.
also there are several different switch types which are pretty much user preference when choosing which one. switches can vary in the amount of force needed to press it down, whether or not there's a tactile bump, and whether or not there's a click sound when the key is pressed. also since each key has an individual switch it makes repairing them easier, while if one key is broken on a rubber dome there's no fixing it, you just get a new one.
@papa wilson you can be more specific if neither of those interest you.
I've had my saitek cheap ass backlit keyboard for 6 years and it works fine. Do you guys regular keyboards really wear out faster than that? I never get keyboard fatigue, only game fatigue I get is when playing dungeon crawlers that are mouse controlled like diablo or torchlight and holding down mouse buttons to move and attack.