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Invoker: i need to be very fast on the keyboard and this is hard for me
invoker doesn't take skill, just queue up meteor and roar as exort, get euls, euls someone and drop those two on them. They will instantly die up to about level 16, depends on their hps, some die past that.
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Meepo skill-cap is over rated
anyway highest skill cap hero is probably Tinker, Storm or Invoker.
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The skill cap of Meepo means being able to play each clone as if it was an actual hero. E.g. participating in two ganks in two different parts of the map at the same time. And don't start some crap about how I'm defending it cause I'm a Meepo player. I play all those heroes you've said and Meepo was a hero I gave up because after 150+ games of him I still couldn't play him at a level I wanted to.
Playing meepo well means you're playing DotA as if it were fucking warcraft. You have a bunch of heroes you have to micro, make sure none of them dies since that's costly, you always have to worry the other team might kill one of your heroes, and need to react accordingly while at the same time accruing resource necessary to destroy the other guys' base.
I've never played meepo against people because I am a huge pu*ssy, but every time I tried him against bots, I'd win since they can't deal with him, but it was just terrible... I have no skills to pull off the plays I've seen good players do, and I am not very confident trying anything even in normal skill.
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Meepo (who i'm literally learning as we speak, he's almost ready for pub matches, then quite ranked, just learning builds, and micro-ing, just about finished. He definitely takes skill, no unhuman skill that most people make it out to be, but definitely awareness, more that average map awareness, keyboard accuracy, and knowledge of the hero to actually go into a ranked match and do well with him. But once you learn him, well, you can wreck most people, especially pubs.
Invoker, he's not noob friendly, but still nowhere as hard as meepo is (once again, not saying meepo is insanely hard)
many players miss keys, don't know which spell to use in the situation, and/or take forever to farm up euls, or items he my need, many invokers seem to afk farm for 15 mins until they finally do something, then you have storms who are already ganking way before then, ect.
Earth Spirit, hard, but i'm sure once you get used to him he becomes easy, just like Invoker, meepo still takes the hard cake over him.
Tinker, 4 abilities, and you're expected to be 6 slotted (as in have an active item you have to actually press to use, in every slot, not passive items like Skadi, Basher, ect, if you get what i mean. You also have to have good positoning, cause Tinker is squishy, and free food if he's the center of attention in a team fight.
so many tinker players porting to every lane and starving their team
worst thing is most of these cases out of every 4 creeps in lane they get 2-3 cuz march will miss some due to creeps
invoker is really really hard to play right. on the outside yes,it may seem like yeah you get meteor defblast/tornado emp ready,and just cast them whenever. That is if you survive through early game,since all your matchups suck dick. Then you get to teamfights,you have 2 bkb buliders on the enemy team,you need to watch out for thier bkbs,time their cooldowns etc. Then you gotta decide which combos you'll use this teamfight(especially at earlier levels,where you can't just scroll through all your skills) . Then you decide to go meteor defblast cold snap,you miss 4 people and only hit the one you used cold snap on :D
Then again,if you get an early advantage as invoker,and you start roaming,you can pretty much finish in 30 minutes. Use your fire spirits,ahve them up all the time. get euls asap(op shit broken fucking item. the techies of items) eul someone,sunstrike meteor and he's dead,add coldsnap if he's a little bit tankier. help your team in every single objective,focus on having as much tower damage as you can. if you want to disenage use tornado emp icewall,fall back,group and try again.
If you loose your lane hard,you can just sit afk in base throwing sunstrikes,cause you'll be absolutely useless since you need levels and a couple of items to actually do something midgame. My best tip is to try to get as much xp as you can,without dying,even if you don't farm. Getting some levels is crucial when behind. If you manage to catch up to the enemy team you're all good,focus on farming,get aghanims and,then,if your team is any good you can actually have some fun comebacks.
Then there's dark seer. Yes,all you do for 20 minutes is use soul ring and spam w on the 2nd creep in your wave. After that you need to worry a lot about getting your vac+wall off,then control the illusions to target your main priority.
Every single hero is hard to control. Look at anyone's replays,you'll always see something that could have been done better.
@wfunk
the question is which of the heroes keeps being hard to control in higher tiers
invoker is definetely not considered a hard hero in 5k+
dark seer is complex, though.
imo invoker has a medium skill floor, i mean by that you can learn 1 combo and still be effective, while Meepo is usually harder to learn, but invoker is very hard to master, from theory ( knowing which abilities to use exactly when and why and how) and practice ( hitting those abilities right)
Meepo because micro
Earth Spirit cuz desition making and space creation
Invoker played right (like an 6.5k+ Invo)
You can always play meepo better because there is a mechanical aspect. Theres no skill cap at such thing so by default he is the hardest.
EarthSpirit is hard to learn, not hard to play. Which goes for any hero, apart from invoker and the one i mentioned above. Invoker is also challenging just because late game when you have all spells at your disposal you need good game sense and reaction to use the hero.
Also zet, but he isnt in dota yet.
^wat
I mean I played support sven a few days ago as I had nowhere to farm, really, but still, why is that hard to control?
@Hot Sauz <3 Big J
It's the internets, dude. People say stupider things all the time, and there's no indication whether or not he was joking. Aside from the obvious fact that support sven is completely one dimensional.
I, in fact, do understand the context - but choose not to judge further aside from what the default state implies (in order to operate within a smaller margin of error), and the default state of conversation is "not joking". If you would like to make a joke, please proceed to arrange various implications that "the funny" might be taking place, either by utilizing "smileys" or the interesting catchphrase "kappa".
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part 2 aka alternative scenario
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