General DiscussionShouldn't the illusions die after using refresh + manta?

yes...

perhaps illusion rune

he was the one playing AM. it wasn't illusion unless he is dumb and didnt realize it himself.

he just wants to brag about his refresher win. but unless the game is actually broken, if u wanted to troll AM why didnt u go arcane boots, blink dagger, force staff, dagon, refresh?

lol are you serious

refresh abyssal might be viable vs a feed broodmother or jugg spin+bkb

he carried the game by himself (did you see that 12k td, 41k gold and 20k hd?)

and the bottom rax was down

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I dind't want to brag about the refresh
the got refresher for the purpose to use abyssal 2 times and a second manta after 20 sec after the first manta
the thing is tried to use manta to dispell oracle's disarm (which apparently don't work), after that I realize the illusions of the first manta dind't get destroyed, if so, it's a bug? if not, could I get back to use manta on tinker without getting my illusions destroyed?
or double phantasm?

I watched the replay, it was a Manta illusion and it's probably some kind of bug since the illusion should die

Rearm and Refresher don't work exactly the same way, idk

Hholy shet :0 have you tried this in a lobby?

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yes, but the illusions keep getting destroyed, like it should be

hm weird. i just assumed brag, sorry if you weren't. people do that a lot around here.

i don't think refresher is worth the double abyssal though, but I wasn't in that game. I've just never had a time where I'd need a second abyssal and not something else.

I've seen pros going Refresher for PA just for the double Abyssal, so it's not something out of this world.

manta illusions should destroy previous manta illusions.

i play tinker sometimes and get manta as a 7th/8th item, using it destroys the old illusions. also tested in a private game and refreshing manta still results in old illusions dying, even if you get a second manta - a while back each set of illusions was tied to each manta style, so rearming 5 manta styles would allow you to create 10 illusions.

right now this interaction still exists with necronomicons, having 2 necronomicons with refresher allows you to create 2 pairs of necro warriors without the older ones dying as long as you use two different necrobooks.

i tested in a private lobby and it's due to fortune's end. any illusion hit by the fortune's end seems to have the illusion buff removed from it or something, so that it's not considered a manta illusion anymore?

I personally don't like it, but I'm not saying it's terrible. I just assumed he was trolling or something and wanted to brag about refresher. Obviously I was wrong. I still don't like it though, but again, I wasn't in that game, maybe it was necessary.

refresher for double bkb and abyssal is legit.

i remember it being somewhat popular when bkb got changed so that the charges are tied to the hero.

@Androgynous

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I tested and re-watched the replay again, it seems that you were right, oracle did used fortune's end in my illusions

So basically fortune's end "purged" the illusions stats from the own illusion, even though the illusions stats still appears in the stats bar, it's not considerer a illusion anymore, that's why the second manta dind't destroyed the old illusions

PS: I suck

I tested with ck's ultimate and it won't work

Only manta's illusions

do they deal full damage and have 100% hp then?

No, they are not considerer illusions anymore for the manta mechanics but they still hold the illusions properties