General Discussionjuggernaut

buy battlefurry and have fun, or vanguard

jungling jugg jungled in jungle to juggle the jug

i saw a 5k jugg jungle with qb stout tangoes, maxing healing ward and spin. ｆｕｃｋｉｎｇ ｃａｎｃｅｒ ｐｌａｙｅｒ

last night some jugg jungled on my team. didn't really watch but he was able to come online soon enough

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1124690515

If you want to full wood.

Blade dance, healing ward, blade fury, blade fury, blade fury.

Stack hardcamp each minute
Made a medium camp with choke point
queeling blade tango stout as first item, then bottle. when you get your bottle you should be lvl 3.
Cast ward and blade dance on hard camp and send back bottle to base to refill, meanwhile you go back to your buisness with medium camp.
When bottle is back, you should be lvl 4.
one more blade fury + healing ward on hard camp, and you should be able to clean it and reach lvl 5-6 (at 6min 30 roughly)

If you are lazy take ward at 1 with qb/stout/tango and get mask of death. Ez from there

Better in the lane tho, or start in the lane then go jungle after ~3 min

thanks matrice <3

ive seen ppl rush mask though does that work better

I prefer qb stout into crit/ward/crit/stats/crit/ult/crit/stats all the way

Rush phase/mom

One value point of spin on the way to replace stats depending on when you need it

With this build you can solo rosh at level 8-9 as well.

is the clear time actually decent?

Well, its faster than Lifestealer if you go my build, which isn't particularly fast but not horrible. The early roshan is also pretty easy to sneak since nobody expects a jugg to solo rosh at 10 min.

except the last time i had jugg jungling in my team they came for rosh.
oh the irony, I was a lycan farming in the lane while the jugg was jungling.
Well I was solo vs 3 heroes anyway so I guess it's better for me to stay in that lane than jug.

Is it possible to do it without suiciding?

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1128819276

it worked boys thanks zenoth

you cann't expect to have more than the first rune.
Crit first, didn't even used the ward before lvl 2

You wan't some? Ill give it ya!

wtf is going on i had 3 jugg in my games today doing woods is this some new trend or somth

yes, started in us east and spread :)
and it works xD

well i guess ill do that cause am/void aint working for me anymore fk

don't fucking do it, you will most likely suck like the jug in my last game. If you want to jungle something different than the typical enigma/axe/lycan try tb or even troll warlord.

its not that bad. treads mom 8-9 mins with first bounty

I found crits-focused jugg jungles quite well, but then again I spent the first couple of levels in lane

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1135013576
shit is legit lol
can anyone tell me what items im supposed to buy pls i randomly bought shit
treads/phase ?
blink? lothars?
is aghanim any good?
drums ?

I just tested it, well the soul ring rush with blade fury (crit ward furyx3 ult fury) is faster in woods, thx to stacking

is it alot faster?

15 min 32 sec ----> 7196 gold farmed with the soul ring build
15min 53sec (in the vid) ----> 5879 gold farmed

Also I'm almost lvl 12 (2000/2200 xp) while in the vid he is barely lvl 11.

I only took first rune nothing more contrary to the vid. (ofc in building more efficiently his jugg, he would have been able to farm faster).

I'm currently checking for an hybrid build, like crit ward crit ward and then fury to make the stack and farm faster

jungle video guide where hero obtains every single bot rune
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i hate people who jungle on radiant

15 min 48 sec ----> 7886 gold farmed with the hybrid soul ring build (lvl 13 and 346 xp) In my inventory i had yasha phase quelling pms soul ring and mythril hammer (i had the gold to finish maelestrom)

-and just first rune again ofc-

Edit: I made a full crit build ----> 7683 gold farmed. 15 min 46 sec -also lvl 13- weirdly i've a bit more xp, but less gold

Same inventory as before, just mask instead of soul ring.

The wooding was much easier as crit build, but i missed some stacking for the soul ring build. and by minutes 9-10 both build were able to farm the whole wood in one minute.
So actually for people who don't want to both crit is fine.

But for optimal build i would still go for soul ring -soul ring hybrid-, as it allow you to never lack mana afterward, and also enter the game much earlier thx to fury and ward spam. (you can also send your ward pretty early to mid or safe lane to help them a bit)

And if you don't missed some stack countrary to what i did, you actually go slightly faster. If you missed them a bit it's same speed. If you missed them all the time than crit is better.

You have to consider spin is not a really good spell overall though, so skillwise it is better to have a 1-4-4 build (or 1-2-4 + stats) than maxing spin

right , spin without disable is not good (CM shadowshaman lion warlock)
or without nice movespeed is not good too (phase drum yasha)
plus spin cant be canceled

late game full 6 slot jugernaut vs late game full 6 slot any dps hero
that juggernaut do spin , he will die in 5 second , yummy

the problem with stacking is you can't clear a large stack, I didn't fail stacking for even 1 minute on the hard camp on radiant and I had like 5-6 stacks (also cut trees before the first minute so it's easier to stack). Even with max blade fury at that point it's impossible to 1 shot the stack with only 1 blade fury, going soul ring you almost never are full hp by the point when you want to clear that large stack and even if you are the stack still kills you really fast and you can't sustain, the 1 blade furry doesnt clear the stack as well, so you need to comeback after you have your cd's and regen which you really do not want, on top of that if you get multiple satyr's there everyone regen's their health so it's even harder to finish of the stack. Do not stack that camp more than 3 times is my suggestion or it's going to be really hard to clear it if you are going for the blade fury build. I find crit build to be more successful, the only problem I have with it is that you will be really passive for the whole time and you can't go in to a lane and blade fury or send a healing ward middle.