General DiscussionCurrently obsolete heroes?

I think Chen is obsolete. The way that hero plays just doesn't do anything in the current meta.

I've seen MUCH less QOP and warlock

Warlock is still strong. I agree, I never see him played much but he is def not obsolete.

do you mean in competitive or just pubs?

other than the two ds games i played recently, ive not seen him much, although it seems like offlaners with good teamfight is what's popular, e.g. jakiro, tide, centaur etc

I like bm. He is like an anti carry hero . If he has heaven halbeard he can blink in, ult then disarm to shut down the right clicks for a long time

DS is on the best teamfight heroes in the game actually. It's just that he is not reliable.

Hes at least more usefull than Techies or Chen xd

Warlock is far easier to deal with now, but I don't think he's obsolete. He's still pretty strong actually.

I find Chen and Enchantress to have been heavily affected by this patch. They need to be either core components of their team or a really really good early game to be successful.

Despite his buffs, I still don't find Lone Druid to be too strong, specially since a lot of games end up reaching the lategame where his bear suffers a lot and the hero itself is not that much better prepared for it.

No hero is obsolete, they just don't fit well with other popular heroes. Warlock in lane gets raped by a lot of popular carries like PA, weaver, void cus he is squishy and has no escapes or disables. But he can still wreck those who underestimate him.

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/980843017

Techies has his place but no one wants to play the style that suits him so he's probably the closest to obsolete I can think of. His style of play is extremely defensive, long, drawn out games while you wait for other team to make a big mistake for you to win.

sven is shit, wraith king does everything better

lina is shit, lion does everything better

its funny how u have under 40 % with this 4 heroes, and ur lina wr is higher then lion lmao

Lina has burst that lion doesn't, and can be a pretty good damage dealer

Nightstalker is just useless.

Sven and wk are completely different heroes. One is a tanky beast who gets in the middle of team fights, dies and debuffs entire enemy team. The other is a massive damage dealer who needs to farm up a couple big items then can drop the entire enemy team in a few seconds.

I sort of see your point with lina and lion if you play lina in the exact same role as lion, she's not as good as a safe lane support. But that's not her best role, she's way better as a semi carry plus with aghs she goes through bkb. It's a 950 dmg nuke that goes through magic immune at 900 range. It's impossible to counter other than initiating on her and will drop half a carrys hp. It's really freakin good if she can farm it for two shotting those pesky PA's and voids (assuming the bastard doesn't backtrack it).

"Nightstalker is just useless."

I can get on board that train!

Lina can be semi-carry, gigantisc range no-target nuke, the stun is longer and the damage is higher, the status are stronger and a passive is usefull instead of some mana shit leech, ultimate that reach longer and also deals more damage, and also cant be avoided or blocked if with aghanym.
Praise Lina.

yah, lions ult can be dodged with blink od's prison, shadow demon and shit like that.

I don't think NS is useless, he is a good mid hero. With fast lvls and good farm by the 20 min mark you can snowball out of control. But that's the thing, you need to snow ball. If you get shut down it's hard to come back. And during the day he can't go 1 one 1 with other carries. There are also better mid lane hero's that help the team. And tbh mid is the only spot he can go. If you send him to the offlane he won't get farm. And he's a waste of a safelane. All in all he's not useless, there is just better hero's for whay he does.

in fact, Lina >>> Lion

@Killswitch Engage not true, its always different, depends on enemy and teammates heroes, lion can kill 2 illusion with mana and hex no matter how strong they are, good vs terblade antimage and ck. it always different. at some point techies could be better then void,

true. but i'd say she's usually better than lion late game due to her passive and semi-carry potential, and her creep-wave clearing abilities

I don't agree, lion's double disables are better if you're a lane support, lina is better if you can go mid or offlane or something and semi carry/get farm. Although I guess it depends on who your carry is and if they have disables too.

If you want damage and suspect you are going to get to the lategame, Lina is better (though marginally)

If you want reliable disables, Lion is better (again, marginally because you can set up Lina's stun)

Personally, Shadow Shaman >>>>> Lina + Lion

@Ynit Also, you can dodge Lina's ulti as well, unless you meant Aghanim's Lina targeting a bkb'd hero who won't be able to use a spell on himself to dodge anything (save for a really good Storm/Ember Spirit).

I actually kind of feel like lifestealer has no place anymore. I'm not sure what his role is. He doesn't push or farm that well, he's kited in fights. He's really like a lesser wk more than sven.

he can only played 1 way, its called rape gankster, its rlly secret strat, even pros dont know it yet, have to rush mask of madnes, bladmail and basher and orb of venom, then you just chase anybody you see like mad dog. shhhhh, dont tell this build anyone, not even i have tried it yet.

nightstalker and spiritbreaker.

have to say one more thing, lion with aghs can ult anyone who has linkens sphere by ulting ero or creep next to that hero, i feel like thats a big thing.

I don't, how many heroes reliably build linkins? Like weaver, storm and medusa (even though I feel it's shitty on medusa they still do it). Maybe qop or puck. That's like it. Hardly ever used.

ive not built linkens in a while on weaver
then again ive not played him nearly as much as i used to
storm and weaver are better off with bkbs most of the time, and qop/puck are more likely to go sheep and rely on good positioning to save them rather than using linkens as a crutch

and anyway lion can easily break the linkens with mana drain that getting linkens vs lion is probably as good of an idea as getting a linkens vs skywrath

Troll warlord/Huskar/elder titan. Unlesss to random picks, I have not seen any picking them in this year.

Huskar is and always will be shit, Elder Titan and Troll Warlord are often picked, they are not very famous in PUBs though

elder titan is rlly strong in higher skill games.

@Caffekon, theres currently 6k players who have spammed Huskar to reach there. Apparently playing him as a carry instead of ganker makes him really strong.

"Troll warlord/Huskar/elder titan. Unlesss to random picks, I have not seen any picking them in this year."

Are you joking? Troll is the god of 1v1 man fight just behind void and razor and his tower dmg with that ult is incredible. Plus he can go fuckin ranged on you, there is no stopping him.

AM afk farming 700 gpm? Playa please, match this 8k tower dmg then come 'n see me.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/987944105

Mid feeding 4 times in first 5 mins? Whatever, troll will just dominate this game, they have no answer for him. PA tried to 1v1 him multiple times, even with troll at half hp after PA bought back and didn't stand a chance (partly cus troll rushed mkb but those bashes! plus satanic!)
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/987857395

Elder is amazing vs any agi carry heavy lineup. Say good bye to your armor. It's ridiculous.

Huskar has his place, he just falls of hard once enemy team gets bkbs since he's so reliant on flaming spear dmg.