General DiscussionWhat is the unranked MMR ceiling on your server?

unranked is definitely low 4k, unranked in australia, russia, south africa, brazil and korea is most likely 98% low 3k

How about Europe? I can somewhat see this as a problem because it would mean that server population is directly proportional to the highest MMR on the leaderboard. I see people joke about how 6k USE = 4k EU but It seems pretty counter intitutive.

us west, east is both ~4k from my experience.

although i used to hit some 6k friends on unranked, its extremely rare. nobody thats 4k-5k hidden(unranked) plays it sadly.

I think it depends on the average hidden MMR of players on that server. I find games on the Aussie server a lot easier than those in SEA, while those on Perfect World servers can be a lot tougher.

^ I think that's true. China probably don't have as many players as Europe but that's not to say pubs are less skilled. Infact, AUI_2000 mentioned in a twitter post or a vlog that China players are actually many times better than EU/NA. However, the top 200 MMR leaderboard doesn't reflect that fact. Servers with higher populations will generally have more inflated upper-end mmrs.

Anyone else notice EE gained +200 while being in China? I think he was around 6900-7k when he left but he is now 7200. I think it's due to the fact that they have more competent teammates. While in America he was losing games on his 4k smurf on USE because of having a bad team.

the only servers u can play unranked and actually meet 5ks which is a rare chance to do is eu west and us east

i think its because there are two different chinese servers to choose to queue on and he and other attendants for the tournament queues there

obviously he'll win because he treats pubs as tournament, or he told pieliedie and bone7 to queue on their smurfs to be in his team or against him

theres as many 3.7k players as there are 3.2k players in aus, from what i hear the gaps start happening around 4k if you queue odd hours

SEA here

if you solo queue unranked the average mmr is around 4k

if you 5 stack unranked, you only meet other 5 stacks and the rating is alot higher.

like I mentioned previously SEA unranked has 5k mmr average stacks half the time, I became friends with about 3 different stacks due to playing against them 3-4 times in one night and some of them are above 6k mmr.

sometimes people tire of solo queue and want to play with friends, because hell dota is a team game after all and it's much more enjoyable playing with people you know

e.g. this match http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/929728331 is the entire rave stack except jeyo who was replaced by some random guy

rave is also the team that took a game of tongfu.oldboys

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/924010325

trying way too hard to justify unranked

unranked is the new low priority unless you play specifically in eu west or us east, whats there to not understand?

trying way too hard to ignore my evidence

you dont play 5 stacks, you dont play SEA, what is there that you understand?

i've played like 100+ unranked 5 stack matches in SEA over the last month and like I already said, about half of the games are big names in the competitive scene or consistent 5k stacks. granted, the other half are like 4k+ teams which is why my win rate has been inflated recently.

meanwhile this guy who doesn't play SEA, doesn't 5-stack and doesn't play unranked is trying to tell me my opponents are all 3-4k autistic russians

-shrugs-

how can u even try to justify this shit lmao u just dont want to play solo/party ranked sea because people tryhard, theres also TMM.
im fully aware you 5 stack in unranked because games are easier (i wonder why they are easy) and you dont need to try your best to win as opposed to RANKED

example:
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/568554065

i can link u some more and yeah idgaf about 5 stacking in unranked, its too fucking boring, if i do play unranked its either me with 1 or 2 friends

all of those dotabuff links you just gave me are a bunch of people stacking in unranked to increase their winrate and kda lolz

party ranked sea = tryhard?
queueing 10-20 minutes for a +5/-45 is tryhard?
dear god wave you have to be fucking kidding me, you have no idea how bad party ranked is here
TMM is exactly the same as party ranked with a separate rating

i guess i should fuck all my irl friends and leave them alone and play solo because fuck friends, fuck stacking and im a masochist
i played solo mostly when my irl friends had commitments, since they are free to play now why the fuck would i play solo

let me quote you:

"unranked is definitely low 4k"
"the only servers u can play unranked and actually meet 5ks which is a rare chance to do is eu west and us east"

how the fuck does the evidence i provide not disprove your point

i provide proof that plenty of my matches are against 5k/6k players, and your counter-argument is "all of those dotabuff links you just gave me are a bunch of people stacking in unranked to increase their winrate and kda lolz"

which proves my point doesn't it? that unranked is nowhere near low 4k when half the stacks are 5k+ players "looking to increase their winrate and kda lolz" and what happens when these stacks clash? it becomes as competitive as solo, except that the teams are actually communicating amongst themselves

sry dude but no queue has ever been 10+ minutes since valve tweaked rmm after february or so

how can u say 5 party is the same as solo ranked lolz, i demand you to 5 stack with 5ks and show me that the queue for ranked is 10-20 minutes while recording it.

dude i played a ton of +5 games back in may/june, which was when i got sick of bothering with party ranked and moved to unranked instead. even if the queue time did shorten, it doesn't change the problem of a lack of 5k+ stacks in party ranked. When i played solo ranked I could only get 5k teamamtes like 1 in 4 games, you expect party ranked to have more 5k players?

anyway my reasons for playing unranked are not even relevant to the topic here

you havent replied me on the rest of the points yet, and the original argument that there are "only low 4k players in unranked"

the whole point of this thread was to show the unranked mmr ceiling on servers, and i provided evidence that there exists an abundance of 5k+ players in party unranked regardless of their purpose, contrary to your claims that only low 4k players queue unranked

even if you gave me 1 million dollar i would still say which is the most accurate thing in this matter "solo ranked > party ranked > unranked solo > uranked party > low priority > bots" when it comes to SEA matchmaking

why do u say unranked party is more competitive than solo ranked then? why would that shit be more competitive if there arent any 5k players in solo ranked SEA

i didnt say "only low 4ks queue unranked", but its mainly them with inflated hidden rating

just admit it lolz u 5 stack in unranked for easy wins with friends

because 90% of the competitive players dont bother to solo queue, because they have friends to play with and solo queue is hardly an enjoyable affair, maybe? most of the competitive players here only play scrims or party queue, and nobody likes to play games where -45 is an ever-present possibility

do you think it possible that one tires of solo queue when half the game is competing with your own teammates and trying to resolve arguments?

does the prospect of playing with friends whom you can get along with and communicate well not become a much more appealing choice?

and, given that you are already stacking, why bother with the nuances of ranked when you are going to get a -45 on the off chance that you lose a single match at all?

but hey you don't play SEA, and you're not me, yet you claim to know me better than me

no idea why you want to talk so much about a server that you don't even play, and lack experience about

and yes you are still off topic, the whole point was to prove that the unranked ceiling is not low 4k players

so basically when you queue unranked with 4 other friends, you meet more competitive players than no names

i dont see that on ur dotabuff

because you dont bother to check their profiles perhaps?

plenty of them are 5k-6k players with whom i am mutually familiar from solo ranked back in the past, and i posted many of their profiles in the other thread which you conveniently ignored

like these two matches i played in a row
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/939870628
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/939728533

was against http://www.dotabuff.com/players/191865430 (who is a 6k meepo player on his main) and his stack, but of course you wouldn't know since hardly any high ranked SEA players or competitive SEA players are well known or even verified by dotabuff.

or you need more blatant examples

xfreedom stack+some ex-competitive players
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/909671600
mith stack (3 ex-mith players)
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/933486046
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/915771253
rave stack (3 or 4 current rave players)
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/929728331
ex-fd stack (KS+randoms)
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/919776958
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/92145869
noova stack (6k player + 3/4 5k players)
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/917908789
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/917751932
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/917635556

these are all off the last 2 pages of my matches, yeah the other half of the time i get matched against random scrubs but playing against tryhard stacks is anything but easy

there are some less prominent stacks i meet consistently for whom i can only identify a few players
5k stack (maid-sama guy -> 5k solo)
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/148063231
5k+ stack (insignificantme -> 5.5k solo 6k party) -> watched him win a 1v1 competition against meracle at singapore ti4 pubstomp
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/84234671
5k+ stack (semi-competitive players)
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/43708377
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/113485338

if you want to go on believing unranked SEA is literally russia or something then i cant be bothered to argue any more, i've already thrown out all the evidence here

how many stacks in unranked SEA are there that tryhards

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does nova live in eu or in sea and his rating is inflated as fuck

lives in SEA studies in EU, i dont know about his rating being inflated but he has pretty good understanding of the game from the matches i played with him

he stacks with xy- plenty when playing EU i think

att du har 80-90% i euw

du e ju 4k lr nåt sen ranked kom ut

WTF? 503 NOT HEALTHY ERROR?

Error 503 No healthy backends

vrf tog du bort din kommentar lolz

Lol de buggade helt

visa ditt 80-90% konto

I've played tons of unranked games lately and 70%-80% of the games my team consists of 2 or more people being 5k+.

Added lot of people lately, and it seems true according to their profiles.

The other thing though, is the quality of unranked games are far worse than ranked.

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/194262088

brazil is 3k max

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/940902655
tb starts with sobi mask and tangos
night stalker goes for naked ring of health

HAHAHHA AND VOLVO CALLS IT VERY HIGH :D

very low is more accurate

hur får du det till 80% ska jag komma o olla dig på ansiktet

just ask Vrok or Chris they are the masters of normalz

SKÅL

den är 76% nu för att vi losade massa irad ^^

Most pro players in SEA moved to play normal already. Solo Ranked MMR in SEA is pretty shitty for those who have 6k+ MMR.

Ddz has been playing normal for a while now.

hur förlorar du ens i unranked

starka motståndare

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