siegfried, satelizer: misspelling shit on purpose isn't cool. you've been misinformed by the internet. stop using an immature kid who plays video games all day as your role model (singsing).
@ihaveaname
Well, it uses the same number for all parties. It doesn't matter if you're stacked with 4 professional players, 4 players who have never played before - it has no measure of how often you play with those people either.
Example that demonstrates this conceptual flaw:
-I stack with the same 4 people over a period of 500 games. We are on a professional team together. We try very hard. The result will be that we all have extremely high team MMR.
-I then stack with 4 players I don't know for the first time. It then applies my team MMR to these 4 people with whom I have no such coordination.
That makes sense I guess ... but what would be the solution? The fact is, most players do play differently when queuing with someone compared to when they play solo, so I think it's fair enough that there's a party rating, even if it isn't 100% accurate. Making and updating a different number for every player-player combination, however, seems kinda impractical to me :p
How well someone plays also depends on factors beyond what the matchmaking system can predict - whether or not you're on voice chat with them, if you were trying a new strat after winning ten games with your best hero, if someone was mean to you at work, etc. There's no way the matchmaking system would know any of this. I think people are hating on mmr a bit too much; there's only so much a system can do.
Also - did you just hate on Singsing? :/
@Siegfried, just because I smacked you down doesn't mean you have to try to troll me.
@ihaveaname
They could have a coefficient between you and anyone with whom you party. The coefficient would multiply your solo MMR to create an effective party MMR. But coefficients of pairs should make you wonder what if you party with more than one person. Well, a good shot in the dark would be to use the coefficient for each pair, calculating four MMRs if you party with 4 people. Then average those.
You may wonder if it is computationally feasible to keep track of all of these coefficients. Well, most people only party with a handful of people, and coefficients deemed irrelevant could be pruned from the list (e.g. I played with one guy once in a party 4 weeks ago, so delete that guy from the list. If I encounter him again, pretend like he's a new pair). This is definitely doable computationally since Valve houses everyone's friend's lists, which tend to range between 20 and 200 other users for each user.
@vandal saying he plays video games all day then playing...almost 2700 games (~2500 hours probably more with forum and stuff) doesn't exactly make you any better. oh not to mention the guy who plays video games all day has probably made >100 grand while doing it, whereas i don't see you making anything out of the game.
and calling someone out for trolling because they told you exactly the same thing you told them is pretty laughable too.
@Feeder
I have a full-time job that makes risk-free and repeatable sums of money every year greater than the figure you cited as his all-time earnings from playing video games. I also have benefits - does insurance cost nothing in your mind? Stop being an idiotic 16 year old. I don't really play many video games anymore - I do independent research that interests me, have a full-time job, and spend more time getting pussy these days.
Yes, because having 2700 matches (2500+ hours) of dota totally indicates someone with a great job.
And yeah I can be a self-proclaimed CEO or whatever crap and say anytihng I want. You can claim to have all of those things but the reality is you're on the Internet, where you can't prove any of that.
I mean, if you actually did all of those things, you would be working or doing some of those things instead of engaging and taking time out of your valuable day to respond to "an idiotic 16 year old." But some kids don't understand how see through their fantasies are. Oh well...
@feeder
I understand your need to grapple with facts that put you or your idol in a place lower on the social food chain than you previously thought. Your ego deludes you.
@Feeder
I can tell you're also callow about matters in life by your association with making more than a $100k/year salary with being a CEO.
@feeder: "But some kids don't understand how see through their fantasies are."
What the fuck are you even saying? I'm not sure about Vandal, but I can 100% guarantee your mongoloid ass doesn't make more than 8 dollars an hour at the local Costco. Begone troll.
@davvv Am I the one claiming to be the one making super big money and having insurance and all of that? No, and the CEO part was sarcasm. If he actually worked at this place and got all these benefits, it seems strange to see him being able to play 2700 games of dota (easily 2500 hours not counting how many hours he goes on dotabuff, afks, and does other dota-related stuff) plus being able to do all of those other things he claims to be in real life, no? I'm not saying I'm a CEO or anything...that was sarcasm. I don't make any money, nor do I claim to...and that's irrelevant in a discussion of hypocrisy. I'm still not sure why Vandal thinks any of that would justify being a hypocrite, seeing as he plays the same game singsing does for the same amount of time (or maybe a bit less, but the amount of time they play relative to the average person is still relatively the same) then goes back and calling him an "immature kid who plays video games all day." (immature probably but you're not much better in the video games all day part). Then the grammar crap. Both are pretty small things but going around acting like you're someone that's better than everyone else because you claim to have all these things, none of which can be verified, and that therefore gives you the right to be a hypocrite and act like everyone who's bringing that up has some sort of ego problem/can't grapple with facts (care to explain either of those?) sounds like a pretty douchebaggy thing to do.
Based on all of these things, I think it's pretty fair to conclude that you have some serious ego issues if you have to go on the internet and act like you're better than everyone because of some unverifiable "facts" (yeah uh bit oxymoronic no?) and try and paint anyone who points these things out to you (as blatant as they are) as "trolls" who can't grapple with facts. Perhaps you're the one who has the ego problem?
@Feeder
You seriously need perspective on what a career is, typical salaries of some careers, and the most barebone of benefits granted to a professional in a career. You also need to understand that people with careers have free time during which they can do whatever they want. I enjoy video games - that doesn't preclude me from doing important things or socializing.
The amount of things that you've described away from the game would indicate that you barely, if at all, have time to play games. However you've played an average of 4 games a day for 2 years, roughly equal to 3 hours a day (average of 45 minutes a game is quite a low number but we can go with it) plus another hour based on how often you post on the forum as well as other dota related activities (no other way for you to figure out who singsing is and what he does, for example).
Nobody who has a great full-time job with benefits (which would mean you'd have to be working for quite a while, probably at least 8 hours a day), has a girl, and does independent research would have the time to scrape together enough time to play 4 hours a day of dota or dota-related activities (and those are low-ball numbers). If you assume that you work for 8 hours a day (pretty standard baseline for well-paying jobs with benefits, full-time, probably is more but once again this is a low-ball number), see your girlfriend for an average of an hour or two daily, do this independent research for an hour a day, and play dota for 4 hours a day...you end up with 14 hours a day as a mere bottom number, in reality it would most likely be more than that. That's all stuff that doesn't include things like getting ready, eating, socializing, going out, etc.
Not that that's even on the point, just figured it would be worth pointing out how difficult that would be. You haven't addressed any of the hypocrisy or ego parts of it that I brought up (scrapping the part about SingSing for now, perhaps go over the grammar one).
@ Feeder
I just started - right out of college. Yes, it's standard to have benefits when you start a career (Do you understand reality?). I've never seen such wild arrogance accompanied by such wild ignorance. My gaming habits originate from my college times - you know, when all you do is take a few courses, study here and there, go out a couple days a week, and basically (thereafter) have utter free time.
i didnt read all the posts but i gotta agree that singsing behaves like a retard @ his stream
I'm not questioning whether or not you actually have benefits, I was giving you a time-based breakdown. If you think this was largely based on college time, here's an example. Over the past week, you've played 20 matches. Going based on that 45 minute constant I used earlier, that's more than 2 hours a day over the past week. Now take into account the low-ball number of 1 hour on the forum (and I think it'd be fair to say it's probably more than that seeing as it's taken you next to no time to respond to each of my comments, which means you're on the forum quite a lot...) so it's fair to bump that up to two hours. And we're back to the 4 hours, which was what I used in those calculations. Tell me if any of these numbers are off or if any of the estimates I used to get that 14 hours a day of non-necessities is unfair.
Also having a full-time job with benefits, good pay, and the amount of free time you would need to do all of those other things you described right out of college is near impossible in today's job market, which makes that all the more strange as well, though not impossible I suppose.
You've still also not responded to the last two sentences of the last post, which is probably the more important part of it.
and @above yeah he does as do most na streamers from what i've seen lol.
@Feeder
Again, you just don't get it. People with jobs have free time. I'm now working on much more important things, so I will be playing basically zero video games from here onward. The reason I'm on the internet right now is I'm collecting some songs: Watching them download and transferring them to thumbstick. I'm about to go out to my friend's house party themed as being a gangster. I'm bringing some of the music. A rare occasion has given me extra time to blow, just waiting. That doesn't mean I'm on the forums constantly.
EDIT:
And you don't need to conjecture. Steam gives us how many games I've played: 53.8 hours past 2 weeks. I had a lot of extra time these last two weeks and wanted to do some serious gaming. If you really care, you can check my page 2 weeks from now. The number will be closer to 10 hours in the last two weeks.
Well, I was just pointing out that it would seem strange to be on that much during this period of time, but yeah it's definitely possible. Quite a lot of music if you're downloading it for more than an hour...but once again beside the point.
And nowhere have I said that people with jobs don't have free time. I'm saying your distribution of free time seems like you either get close to zero sleep on a daily basis or you're missing something there. And seeing as the statistics I just provided are over a period of the last week, it seems quite premature to say you're going to be playing basically zero video games from here on out (at least give it a few weeks before you can make that claim).
Edit after seeing your edit: The premature part I described above applies to the same thing. 54 hours over 2 weeks is close to 4 hours daily. That brings up the daily total to roughly 16 hours a day based on those conjectures. Once again, you can point things out in the conjecture that could be false. But basing your entire argument on something that's yet to be proven does show its weakness. If the period of "basically zero gaming" had only been going on for 2 days (time since you last played games, 3 on that day) then it's definitely premature to say you will do basically zero gaming in the future. Almost the same as a smoker (no way referring to you but rather the situation) quitting for a week after having grand hopes of quitting and what not and then starting again (quite common).
Once again I'm not doubting you not playing in the future but it's premature to be basing your argument on that assumption when most of the recent and long-term evidence points against it.
And you haven't responded to the hypocrisy on the grammar part.
@Feeder
My last dota game was 2 days ago. There won't be any tonight or the night after, I'm going out to socialize. And there won't be much after that since I'm working on some very special independent projects. Thanks for finally admitting that making $100k over the course of four years across the most precious time you have, your early twenties and late teens, is not a good idea. He shouldn't be a role model. People like me should be your role model. Now go read some of the Harvard Classics before you waste too much time on games. In fact, I am fully comfortable even admitting I played as much as I did, and it was a bit too much. I could be even more successful than I am now.
EDIT:
As for your idiotic clinging to this hyprocrisy argument, the guy was trolling by intentionally misunderstanding my theoretical argument as a claim I am professional at DotA. Did you not read what he wrote? The other shit about periods is irrelevant. I don't care. Stop being a 16 year old.
Like I said earlier, basing your entire argument on not playing dota on the past two days makes it pretty weak. Reason being if you've played for two years its not hard to take a break for two days and then come back and have at it again. You even could have said that same exact thing 3 days ago, where you took a two day break from dota, then played 6 games over the next 48 hours. So obviously you have to give it more time before you can make these claims.
And I'm glad that you're successful and what not irl, it's more important.
And as for the hypocrisy argument, that's true but I wasn't basing it off of that post, rather, I'm referring to your (and only your) post, in which you say that using bad grammar (generally speaking, since the internet doesn't only do this to spelling, but also grammar) isn't cool, but in that same post, you capitalized a grand total of zero letters (bad grammar). That's pretty obvious and hard to deny.
And I still fail to see how anything I've said is immature in any way (minus the fantasies part, which I will admit) and reminiscent of a 16 year old, so it'd be nice if you could start actually addressing the claims instead of calling me egotistical, immature, and calling the claims "wild." If you want to say that kind of stuff, at least do it with some backing by the facts that you said I had trouble grappling with.
Dude, just stop. I don't even know what you're arguing about. I make more money than singsing. He is immature, and he directs the actions of a bunch of kids. These are the things I have claimed, and they are true. Stop trying to pretend you're smart by pretending that you understand the universe when you don't. Things are not always what they seem.
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>Have the enemy team pick Treant.
>Have him dive the tower at lvl 2-3 with Bristleback.
>Have him feed first blood.
>Let him rage quit.
>Win a 5v4.
>gg, free MMR.
This is supposed to be 4100 party MMR too. gaem broken, volvo plz fix.