I have as follows
Solo: 3609
Party: 4003
Apparently I am well in trench tier. I wouldn't know since I've always been here so I guess ignorance is bliss?
yours is ok i guess i know a lot of players with 2900-2500 in party and solo so yeah, at least you are not that bad.
But that's in my old account i sold. In this one the few ppl i have are over 4300 or so, not my best friend (he's something like 2900 or so, but in the past few weeks he has been doing ok and winning lots of matches so now hes something like 3200 and 3400 party mmr.
So i guess the average is from 3400-4000 or something like that.
Correct me if im wrong.
Despite the opinions of plenty of high MMR posters on Dotabuff 3.2k MMR is in fact better than 90% of all dota players. Although compared to the average pub a 3.2k player is very very good... there are still plenty of people (about 800,000) who are better than 3.2k.
This is the cause of your confusion. A 4k or 5k player will complain bitterly of a 3.2k player dragging him down to a loss. While the better players are much more likely to read (and far more likely to write) on dotabuff... I assure you the vast majority of those who read and do not write look up to a 3.2k MMR and may even hope with practice that they can reach that level.
MMR is distributed as follows:
5% (still 400k players) below 1100 MMR
10% below 1500 MMR
25% below 2000 MMR
50% below 2250 MMR
75% below 2731 MMR
90% below 3200 MMR
95% below 3900 MMR
99% below 4100 MMR
Still 80,000 players over 4.1k MMR. Many of them have a hard time understanding that fact that millions of players cannot reach their level for lack of skill and conclude that those who can't do it must be idiots. In part this is because dota players are often children, but in part it is because exceptional people are the worst at accurately judging themselves and others.
So while compared to a 5k MMR player a 3.2k MMR player may in fact be terrible... it is true at the same time that they are vastly better than most dota players.
my god relentless wont give up on his crusade to convince people he is not terrible
the important thing is to win vs stronger then u, u dont need to have kda 4,5,6.. Just need to win vs stronger opponents and keep doing it, dive and die! Die like a boss for ur carry. Dont care about kda!
@ OP 3200 is considered trench for people who think they are at 4k, like me. Not sure how much more rating I need to see wards on support and mid hero actually calling out runes or ganking.
![[Lk].Zano](https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steamcommunity/public/images/avatars/b9/b98e01ce6ef4a5e926a44cdd1564d0e8e5fbfa36_full.jpg "[Lk].Zano")
Solo: 3900
Party: TBD...most of my friends, for some unexplainable reason, don't like to play ranked.
Hmm... So pretty much, low 3k means that I'm in a high % of players (give or take), but that the skill gap between me and those just a few hundred above me is massive? So if I get matched with 4k players I'm likely to appear terrible to them... Things suddenly make a lot more sense.
@[A]dmiralBullshit, obviously I can't speak for all 3200 ranked players, but I always make sure I'm warding as support or ganking as mid. That's the easy stuff. I struggle much more with getting the right situational build for each game, and counter picking properly. That and I do tend to panic when against really good players, and so miss a stun or forget to use mek, etc. That's when I get called noob and raged at, which is understandable. It usually doesn't bother me too much, I just try and make sure I do the right thing in the next fight. So I think I'm pretty much ranked where I belong.
3200 solo and nothing in team. I have friends who are much better than me and I don't want to drag them down.
Trying to be as honest as possible, I feel I'm a bad player. I play support almost exclusively. Sometimes I remember to buy lots of wards other times I'm busy trying to finish mek or a.n other item and get very few. I buy a smoke every now and then and usually just use it in a terrible place at a terrible time. I've started buying wards and smokes and just dropping them from my stash and hoping someone else who has a clue picks them up and uses them properly.
In team fights I often forget spells and item actives, I stand in retarded places and move in retarded ways. My abilities in escaping are terrible and I often forget to use spells or items when running for my life.
I don't try to ks, but it happens sometimes. I don't fight for last hits as I'm not THAT retarded. I occasionally stack neutrals and often remember to pull if our creeps are pushing.
I use spells in the wrong order and use teleports VERY badly, often going to a lane just as it kicks off in another or tele into a bunch of enemies and get destroyed in a second or two.
I'm slowly working individual stuff out like always carrying a TP Vs BS and getting a ghost sceptre against Jug etc and I think I can pick a reasonable support to fit in with my team, but I often just pick my most comfortable heroes even if I see no synergy with the team.
I often pay drunk or stoned, normally both, and I feel my rating is very forgiving. 300-odd games as Lich ensures I have a vague clue as how to react and play against most people with him. As my go to guy, playing him a lot in ranked has inflated my MMR. Luckily I still enjoy playing Lich.
If I'm better than 90% of DotA 2 players then lol. I suppose the majority of those baddies are either accounts of people who have a smurf now they know the game or just 8 year olds who like the flashes and cute graphics.
"my god relentless wont give up on his crusade to convince people he is not terrible"
In a videogame if you are better than 50 % of the players you are not terrible.
3k solo 2900 party. There are alot of bads at my ranking so i can understand how people say its bad mmr.
hmmm, like 3.3k atm. Started at 3.1k went to 3.4k i like 1 week then had some badass losing streak and went back to 3.1k. Gaining about 150 MMR per week atm and find it pretty easy to carry games. My goal is about 4.5k atm so I hope I can be there around June :P.
Btw,
@Relentless:
That graph does not count for Ranked MM. It was the one Valve used for their old MM as stated in their introduction to ranked :=)
With large numbers of players (tens of thousands to millions) like this Kappa, those MMR values and % will barely ever change. They will be almost identical for Ranked as unranked.
Only about 800,000 players ever used Team Matching... now it down to about 80,000 currently using it. But even with those much smaller numbers the average tMMR stayed within a range of 3025 to 3075 for the entire year. There are near 8 million players for personal MMRs, those % ranks will be extremely stable. I doubt they will move more than a few MMR points, if even that much.
I know it is hard to grasp the idea of millions of people. It's just too many to really comprehend. But the fact is there are millions of dota players and your tiny, tiny personal experience just means nothing. You do not know what an average dota player is like from your friends list or people posting on dotabuff... just as you will not be able to comprehend the average income or height globally if you live in the US where most everyone is super tall and super rich.
I am 6 feet tall... I have never felt tall, because people around me are often taller. I've been to the National Volleyball Championships for highschool girls to watch my sisters team play.... I was in a huge convention center with 100k people who all made me look short. All the girls were over 6 feet tall and their dads were often more than 6 ft 6 inches. But compared to the average man, I am in fact very tall.
It is quite true that a 3k MMR player is way above average. It is also quite true that compared to a 4k player, most 3k players are just feeder nubs... Both are true at the same time. You can pretend all you want that the vast army of anonymous players don't exist, but they remain. If you do not get mostly anonymous players in your games, its because your MMR is so high that you are out of touch with ordinary average dota. There are 4 million players below 2.3k MMR... you don't have to be friends with them for them to play dota. Do you have any idea how many dota games have zero players with stats on? Such games are never posted and discussed on dotabuff, but they exist in the millions.
If a 3k mmr player is WAY above average, I cant imagine how terrible anyone below that is.
^What a shitpost from Relentless
Valve artificially limited the ranked MM pool to accounts with more than 150-200 matches played. So:
The published percentile distribution of hidden, unranked MMR takes into account the matchmaking rating of every single account. There are thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of accounts with fewer than 150-200 matches played. A huge chunk of it is people who quit or don't play regularly. For example, some guy decides to try DOTA, feeds for 10 games and then leaves. His hidden MMR is still there and contributes to the hidden MMR distribution. It contributes as much as your own. Congrats, you're better than this guy. Congrats, you're better than some guy who plays a couple of matches every two weeks. In general, though, the amount of people who are able to obtain a ranked MMR rating are the top half or quarter, or third, or whatever of all DOTA accounts. They are not even close to a 'supermajority' of accounts that contributed to hidden unranked MMR. Say it's half. 3200 is now not the top 10 percent of players it's the top 20 percent.
Anyways, Relentless is a fool.
Top 20% is still pretty good overall though.
I'm around 3400 party and solo.
Thing is I have friends who are in the 4ks and friends who are around 2800. There is a gigantic difference between the 2800 and me, and another huge jump to the 4k dude. The skill difference is extremely real.
@ Hobbit you are right. You probably can't comprehend how terrible 2k MMR players are. But I can help you with that. The fact is 3k MMR players really are playing against and totally crushing a bunch of people below them.
Since you never get to see those levels of dota play, here is a video that will show some average players.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cMSpmWpDFw
Yes, average players are casual. Yes, they do not tryhard to win. Yes, they play very few games. I do not pretend that a 3k MMR player is amazing and awesome. Nevertheless they are still better than the vast majority of dota 2 players. It astounds me that so many people can simultaneous complain about nub feeders in their games and at the same time pretend that no one has MMR much lower than they do.
Over and over its "how can these ppl have MMR similar to mine!!!?", the simple answer is They Don't have MMR similar to yours. Valve considers a 1k MMR range on a team to be good. 2k is not good, but still acceptable. 3k MMR range happens occasionally.
You tell yourself "well my friends are not 2k MMR so..." Did you add the feeders to your friends list? How many games did someone play like crap and you thought, "I know I'll add them and play more games with that guy on my team!" No you specifically selected only the best players you encountered to play with more. Wow! what a shock, they are way above average MMR.
... also Bullshit from LitBull. I'm sure you did not bother to pay any real attention to team matching when it was popular and there were 160k teams with ratings. But I did so I can tell you... there were over 80k teams of dota players... people who play dota enough to actually make a team that had below 2k MMR. They did not accumulate 150 games in two weeks like a dedicated player might, but over the course of a year they do. Nearly all of them have now turned stats off so you can pretend they disappeared. Go ahead, remain ignorant. Valve hid stats for these people. They don't want people to know they have 2k MMR... primarily because they do know dota 2 is full of immature idiots like LitBull who are so arrogant they would even deny the existence of anyone they don't personally know. He tosses out imaginary numbers saying casually 1/4, 1/3, 1/2 etc. He doesn't comprehend that he is disappearing and appearing millions of people depending on which he picks... he is so clueless he doesn't think these numbers are much different from each other.
Some guys who decides to try dota, feeds 10 games and quits? ... there are 400,000 accounts in that category this month! But its only 5.7% of the dota 2 players this month.
dude ur never gonna convince us ur 3k mmr is 'good'. Instead of writing walls of text go play dota and get better. 3k->4k is really easy.
I'm a not even saying it is "good". I never have said that. Not once. I don't believe 3k MMR is good. Learn to read!!!!
I have one MMR that is currently at 3.3k MMR I have one at 3.7k... it has been up to 4.1k before. But do you want to comprehend? no. You just assume this is somehow about complaining that someone can't get a higher score...because you didn't actually read what was written or did so too quickly to understand it.
The fact that you believe getting to the top 1% is "really easy" proves you are a victim of Dunning Kruger.... of course you no doubt have absolutely no idea what Dunning Kruger is since the way people talk about it on the internet is so far wrong its nearly the opposite of the real meaning. People with outlier skill levels at a task, whether extremely high or low, are terrible at judgeing how good they are and how hard the task is for ordinary people. That is Dunning Kruger. Furthermore, the best at a task are even worse at judging the difficulty and their own competence than the worst at it. The estimations of their own skill compared to average skill for the top 1% is far from reality. That is what the Dunning Kruger effect is really about. If you want to apply it to people over-estimating themselves you have to be talking about the absolute worst at a task.
If the level of reading comprehension of some people on this forum were dota skill they would be 0-10-1 in their average game. At least everyone gets a lesson in how no matter what you say, no matter who clearly you explain, no matter how many times you repeat it someone will insist on totally failing to understand you.
When I was in school all the way until I got to college I was the #1 student in every subject every year, in every class. When we took standardized tests I would get top 1% in the nation scores every time and finish the test in maybe 5 minutes when we had an hour to do it. I always brought a book to read when I finished because it was extremely easy for me to reach that level.
When I was an ignorant and arrogant child I believed that these things were "easy" because they were easy for me. I looked down on people less capable, could not understand how they could fail something so easy. But these things are not easy for everyone else. Most people cannot do what I did "easily" no matter how hard they work. Life is not fair. People do not have equal abilities. Have respect for the talent you possess and have respect for the many, many people for whom playing dota is not "easy".
You only prove just what an ignorant child you are by insisting that being top 1% is easy. If you can play at 4k MMR and higher what you have is special and rare and you should appreciate it. Most people cannot have it. They can't buy that skill; they can't work for it. They never will attain it. Be grateful for what you have and do not insult those who don't by pretending what you have is worthless and common.
3.9k solo, 4.3k team, pretty much only team though.
What it boils down to is that everything is relative. Good/bad, better/worse is all relative and is dependent on the type of player/bracket you're talking about. I think a majority of players who play dota simply haven't grasped the entire game yet. When you think about it, everyone who plays dota competently knows a hell of a lot of useless information. With 100+ heroes (skills, skill builds, item builds, gameplay, hero interactions) and 140+ items (cost, effect, recipes, hero/item combinations, item location) alone, it takes a long long time to get to know everything. New and casual players who don't know these "basic" knowledge would be considered bad players to all.
It's just that everyone here knows the game and checks their stats, which means most are 3-5k bracket. Some scrub who just learned how to play most likely isn't going to know about this website so the bad of bad players aren't going to be represented. That leaves the 3k players to take the shit and be considered the bad of bads (for these forums).
4k solo. 3.6k party.
I stack a lot with real life friends. They are within 2.8k-3.3k range. I usually play carry and try my best to carry the team.
some times i got angry i got frustrated. but i really enjoy play dota with friends. for fun and love.
Actually Relentless is wrong. Sure it might not be super easy or quick. But whether at school or at dota, if someone focused a significant portion of their attention on getting better, they can be above average. Probably not ever great or even good, but at least understand how things work.
The reason? The teeming masses of those who don't try, the ones who don't go to class, the ones who play a dota game every 2 weeks. The fact is people are rarely near the cap imposed by talent. The thing that limits most people is effort. And so, with effort nearly anyone can in fact get better than average, because nearly everyone has the potential to be more skilled than an average person who doesn't try.
I understand what Relentless is saying. Don't let these low-math skill voices get to you.
From what I can tell your respondents fall into two categories.
1) People who post short snide remarks about you trying to argue that 3k is good are trolls. They really can't help it. It's a mental condition.
2) People who make long winded arguments with wrong assumptions about how small changes in the system influences the law of large numbers actually believe that they have an argument, but they are really ignorant of Dunning-Kruger.
Lastly, there is the mistake that some believe skill can (and should) be gained for playing this game.
1) Some can't gain the skill, no matter how hard they try
2) Your desire to invest in learning (and becoming better) at Dota is a personal choice. Think of the time value per hour you are using to practice for this game and compare that with all the other games you could also be playing and practicing. The opportunity cost is enormous.
In my opinion (strictly speaking)...
EDIT: Okay, to be fair I did make the mistake of setting up a conflict here. I know plenty of people with ~2k MMR range who are geniuses. They just have little or no hand-eye coordination. The minimap ceases to exist when they are looking at their hero. Intelligence does not guarantee 3k+ MMR.
...anyone who wants to play (~2k)
...higher-than-average intelligence players will eventually float above average MMR OR those with gaming skills (~3k)
...higher-than-average intelligence players with obsessive-compulsive tendencies will perform slightly higher than that (~4k)
...higher-than-average intelligence players with obsessive-compulsive tendencies and high reaction speeds will go even higher (~4.5k)
...higher-than-average intelligence players with obsessive-compulsive tendencies, high reaction speeds, and socially amicable skills will start performing at professional skill levels (~5k)
...higher-than-average intelligence players with obsessive-compulsive tendencies, high reaction speeds, social/team coordination skills, and time-committed practice and dedication to every little rules in the game engine..... should honestly reassess their priorities in life (~6k)
...those who get picked by professional teams (unranked) - This population does not interact with the ladder in the same way. They have multiple accounts and make regular climbs for practice. They do not believe in the ladder. They are beyond the ladder. The ladder is their farming grounds. You can't rank someone who is beyond the ladder.
Around 3.5k mmr solo and party on my main account, and 3.8k solo on this one (after around 20 ranked games).
And i totally agree with Relentless. Most of people here on this forum dont even realize how bad a casual Dota player is. It's like in every other game/sports. Regular player is someone, who plays pingpong here and there and if you group him against a good player, he'll just look as a really horrible player. Imagine what would happen against a pro player. The same is with Dota. People above 3.5k can be quite descent players on their best heroes and they surely know the basics of the game. People above 4k know a bit more and have better motorics of the game. And people above 5k really know pretty much they can, its just minor differences that affect if they're going up to the best or not.
It's about the feel of the game and love for it. If you really like Dota, then you'll play as much as you can and try to improve, like a lot of us on this forum try to do. But if you just play for fun here and there, you'll stay in those brackets, where they dont even understand how the game really goes and can be played. Anyway, have fun guys :)
not really still have a 75%ish winrate in solo ranked and I keep picking heroes I suck with
4650 solo
4472 party.
It's probably bloated/fake tho. I should probably be around 3.5-3.7k. I only got to 4k+ because I played Visage too much. If that hero didn't exist, I'll probably be 3.5k.
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I spend a lot of time reading Dota 2 forums, for the most part because I like learning everything I can about the game. Even the topics involving complaints about terrible players, etc, can have some useful comments in them.
However I have noticed that a lot of the users seem to think players of my MMR (~3200) are absolutely terrible. Which I'm not here to disagree with, I do see a lot of bad players in my matches, and I do play pretty terribly in more games than I'd like to admit.
I'm just wondering, what sort of MMR do the people who read these forums have, and it is unusual for someone with an MMR as low as mine to even care about the forums?