@V-god, ignoring the fact that they continue to play horrible players, can you not see the difference between your own attempt at this and these guys?
Your example is what you would expect. You win a couple matches super quickly and everything goes well, but you do get contested sometimes, and there can be problems where the enemy team either spot out your roshan attempt, or actually manage to hold their towers by playing defensively, and having one or two long range anti-push heroes like WR which can slow down pushes.
What you do not expect is to consistently get 10 minute matches, never have your roshan contested despite using an extremely obvious lineup (much more obvious than the lineups which you used, although still pretty easy to see), and to constantly play against horrible opponents despite winning every match.
^
leaver's gold. Ursa is likely the infiltrator that feeds the 5 man stack. This happens way too often. Assuming ursa is truly a noobie, would he really stay 15+ minutes just to throw the leavers at the 5 stack lol?
Half of the people who unsubscribe here, not even close to us can not resist, you just lose like them, we do not constantly Pick's the same rush, guys, we're looking against whom we have got, and if there is weak guys, we Pikalo shove and if not, we'll just overwhelm you. And nothing will come of it.Look at my games and how much I type APM, I do not think that you have 160 + apm always, every game. Just bad players, look in your mouth to others, while they themselves can not do anything. And no one has any concrete evidence of his theories, I'm honest, and I'm offended that the honest players are locked for a reason.
@Dipshit
She just kupilas from the players who have left the game, and while she waited 5t minutes, we had time to kill her 19 times, and a couple of times when it carried the throne we have killed her, and so she Pharma towers, etc. because of this, such gpm with leavers.
Congrats on everyone that exploit that kind of shitty people,I find myself getting frustrated many times with the matchmaking but things like that show us that at least there are people that care about this game and the community.Ban all of their IP's and send them bcak to LOL or HON we dont want these kind of crap in Dota 2.Oh and for closing i just want to ask those LEGIT and HARD WORKING guys that have that amazing scores this:Even if u believe that u dont something wrong and u are legit( :S ) just think about how many newcoming players to dota that try to learn and enjoy this awesome game u send away with that kind of bullshit
You expect any one to believe any of you got those KDA's fairly? Every game where you guys have done "exceptionally well" there are no account details for any of those players. I would just leave this game altogether as it is pretty clear to the community you have no idea how to even play this game and stats are more important to you than simply play skill.
Sorry but it has to be said that I think this game would be better off without the likes of your kind.
OP, suppose all these games were legitimate. Even then, you wouldn't qualify for the rankings.
Whether intentionally or not, you are constantly matched up against opponents of poor skill. The rankings show players of considerable skill who perform outstandingly against skilled opponents in the Very High Bracket.
Be it through underhand means or simply a cruel fate, you are constantly matched against noobs. Your games can be described as watching wolves hunting down rabbits. The games in the rankings can be described as watching a single lion repeatedly killing other male lions so he remains as king.
So is occupying a top spot in a 3rd Party Dota2 rating all this game is worth to you? Why not play the game as a game and as it was originally created. I can understand wanting to get recognition as a worth while player but with the (5 at my count) smurf accounts you keep recreating how can you expect anyone to do that.
A lot of the top people don't deserve to be there with most of them with a 200 game cap with no eagerness to continue. Some do still play on their accounts but looking at the top ones a lot of the friends are shared with perhaps around 30 people all sharing accounts and friends to constantly monopolize the top rankings.
There are two kinds of people in this scenario.
1. A smurf account that goes to 200 games to get on the rankings.
2. A old account with loads of smurf friends that boost their current main account so it appears they were better than most all along but most of those accounts hold a certain % of boost since playing with smurf accounts and abusing or exploiting.
The latter is harder to combat with the account being so old it is hard to punish the account for recent transgressing whereas a new account would get this immediately as there is no background to show the user has had any other objective then achieving an unbelievable rating.
Top #1 appears to have got there just back stacking with not too many abandons and the usual we would expect with treant/wisp stacks.
Top #2 is an known abuser and plays with the likes of you and your ilk, that being said he does also play with legitimately good players as well who are also at the top (scenario 2 where players or high ranking players keep each other on top)
Top #3 got there fairly but again another abandoned smurf just to get to the top.
Top #4 a good OLD wisp player who has been winning games and comes back to the account from time to time, possibly has others but also has friends who I have played often with and who I know are quite good.
Top #4 Should be #1. He has been there since the beginning and has always been a renowned player.
If the cap is set to 500 18 people will lose that spot and it will be handed onto players with more games played. The reason for this is that it is meant to be a challenge, not a flash abuse you can get to in a month of game play. If you are in the top spot you need to deserve and earn your place there.
The sad thing is that some accounts may have legitimately have fewer games but be up there because they are good (300-500 games) but it is people like you that ruined that for everyone because your are knocking actual pro-players down the list because you managed to find a niche way of getting to the top.
This topic has gone on for long enough and I feel it's time for me to make a reply. My views do not necessarily represent the opinions of every Dotabuff staff.
1) The Top 50 players list and any other list on Dotabuff is supposed to give an indication of some of the highest level players, as Valve doesn't share too many performance stats this is our educated guess. The list is supposed to be fun, and supposed to be able to help new players learn from top players. As such we will disqualify people who does not fit this description. To fit the original purpose of these lists we are discussing ways to improve them. For example raising the minimum number of games from 200 to 500+. I believe that would be better, but this is my personal opinion and it may or may not happen.
2) I have no intention of discussing exactly how each player may have exploited. To discuss what is considered cheating and how each player may have exploited would just become a guide on how to each. Even if I discuss this in private with people who we may have tagged, I could be mentioning multiple methods of exploiting they may or may not have been using on top of what they are doing. On the known bugs list on the valve dev forums there are over 1000 bugs, some of the more severe ones have also been disabled from public view for the same reason.
3) We try our best to serve the general Dota community and making it a better place. I don't think it's productive to spend a large amount of time to reverse engineer exactly which exploits each player used. The time taken to analyse replays would be huge. We do our best to be impartial, and try our best to be accurate.
4) If someone believe they have been mistakenly tagged they can contact us.
In this case when I originally looked at the profiles and games I observed the following: (This was 19/Oct/2013 19:50 GMT +1)
"3 most recent have no one with stat share on.
4th one have 2, 1 - 500+ games 45% win rate, 2 - 50 games 30% win rate.
5th game, no one have stat share.
6th game - 1 person with stats on, 784 games 48% win rate"
At the time of this reply I check the most recent 3 games of OP again, and I observed the following:
1st game - 1 player with stats on, 101 wins - 100 losses
2nd game - 1 player with stats on, 95 wins - 93 losses
3rd game - 2 players with stats on, one with 736 wins - 736 losses, another with 781 wins 791 losses.
In 9 games there were only 2 people with barely 1 or 2 games over 50% win rate.
This is against a full 5 man stack with almost 100% win rate for all players, each have 40 to 70 wins and all have massive KDAs.
As I have said in this topic and another topic before, We will not go into detail of how they may have exploited.
The observations above is enough indication of exploits being used.
5) Fundamentally the players in OP's stack does not play against high level opponents, therefore does not show they have high MMR, therefore does not belong in our list of high level players. Please see point 1.
It is only your judgment, any evidence of our guilt is not present, it is a MM gives us these players and we are in no way to blame, so based on this logic, the guess who does not dare to try and stop us, it's not right. We do not use, and I'm not going to make your decision as final,if you can not reliably do its job, so resigned and fired, because you can not perform competently, why do we as honest players have to suffer from your erroneous statements, this is outrageous!
You are fully how to analyze our games, and 90% of people will not have such control that we do, I ask for a retrial, etc.
Yes, the players are weak, but we have a few games on the side, and we do not choose our players, we find their MM system.
You invent yourself what that garbage, and because of your guesses we have to suffer? Let the person who is engaged in it, gives me a final decision, why should I give the man who took on the job, and he duly can not even implement it, why would I need a narrow-minded person, it's not fair, and your application is just an empty shell,it does not soundly, I did not use, we can at least play with you the game look at them, so what the heck, nothing you can normally check that you are for the employee, such that the child says, I saw it was he, but when they begin to ask, you are only guided by their guesses.
And by the way just check the game through dotabuff client, there bitch hidden dotabuff 9 months ago, in which we are to blame, check all by hand, take every Steam ID and type in the search dotabuffnahodite and see!!
You are better off just using Russian I cant understand 95% of the English you try and use. At least then the russian dotabuff admin can tell you how wrong you are
Please keep on asking for a re trial and for dotabuff employees to be sacked. Please keep saying how you deserve to be in the list of top players by beating new players easily, exploit or no exploit. Please keep arguing the same case for something that means so little and gains you nothing. Please keep using google translate. Just...please!
Серьезно все, что вы делаете делает yoursselves выглядеть глупо. Я хочу сказать, почему это так важно для вас, чтобы быть в этом списке? Это не сделает вас деньги, и это ничего не значит. Если это такая важная вещь в вашей жизни, то возможно, вы должны переоценить свою жизнь? есть, очевидно, чего-то не хватает в нем. Может быть настоящих друзей жизни или собаку? Я не знаю, но, пожалуйста, ради вашего же блага, дать этой бессмысленной обсуждения и прекратить делать себе выглядеть массивного конца колокол.
Я надеюсь, что это сделал он, хотя переводчик, а также ваши английском же, чтобы вы могли понять, почему другие испытывают трудности с пониманием Вас.
Better yet, make a Twitch TV account and stream your PC so we can see that you are not avoiding matches and we can check your settings. If you don't agree to do this or come up with excuse then we will assume that the ban was justified.
@Safe base, you can't evaluate the skill of players who played against us only because their Match History turned off.
For example take one match: 352681592 ( http://dotabuff.com/matches/352681592 )
How can you see 4 players with closed dotabuff and so? It's don't make this players badly or better. I just checked their old dotabuffs
Just look:
1) http://dotabuff.com/players/46108711 - opened
2) Kunkka player - 763 hours in dota not even bad
3) Nyx Assasin - 591 hours in dota + ( http://dotabuff.com/players/67850711 ) he is not new player his first game was 9 month ago
4) Disruptor - 590 hours in dota + ( http://dotabuff.com/players/103129070 ) His first game was year ago!
5) Witch Doctor - This user has not yet set up their Steam Community profile.
Ok, 4 our of 5 players are good.
Now look at this game http://dotabuff.com/matches/352871329 All players looks like skilled players.
Now look at Sand King's dotabuff - http://dotabuff.com/players/14032505 he have 41% and you automatically want to call him noob or bad player? You just live by the stereotypes in 21th century...
Safe Base, I just checked your first game and what I seen? You played on Russian region against 43% winrate guys and you fed on Drow Ranger. By your words you can't beat such a bad players with low winrate and bad KDA. How bad you are then? And if you are bad players how can you distinguish skill level of this players?
FPZ, read my previous post. Before you type more, LIVE STREAM your gaming sessions and then we will know the truth! If you don't then you are guilty, simple.
A stream will prove they are not dodging matches like has been claimed that they all click accept only when the match pops on all players and they have some dodgy language selections.
All those Captains draft games and not one over 8 minutes!
Nope, nothing fishy here at all. Obviously totally legit. Nothing to see here. I mean, 8 minutes draft matches are common. Yup. Sure are. I watch them all the time. Yup. I do. Yup.
@V-god, ignoring the fact that they continue to play horrible players, can you not see the difference between your own attempt at this and these guys?
Your example is what you would expect. You win a couple matches super quickly and everything goes well, but you do get contested sometimes, and there can be problems where the enemy team either spot out your roshan attempt, or actually manage to hold their towers by playing defensively, and having one or two long range anti-push heroes like WR which can slow down pushes.
What you do not expect is to consistently get 10 minute matches, never have your roshan contested despite using an extremely obvious lineup (much more obvious than the lineups which you used, although still pretty easy to see), and to constantly play against horrible opponents despite winning every match.
Пердаки рвёт всем
@ The Terrible, god damn russians
http://dotabuff.com/matches/342227533
How I get 519 gpm with 21 deaths and only 70 last hits with only 1 kill and assist in a 45 minute game? D:
^
leaver's gold. Ursa is likely the infiltrator that feeds the 5 man stack. This happens way too often. Assuming ursa is truly a noobie, would he really stay 15+ minutes just to throw the leavers at the 5 stack lol?
Half of the people who unsubscribe here, not even close to us can not resist, you just lose like them, we do not constantly Pick's the same rush, guys, we're looking against whom we have got, and if there is weak guys, we Pikalo shove and if not, we'll just overwhelm you. And nothing will come of it.Look at my games and how much I type APM, I do not think that you have 160 + apm always, every game. Just bad players, look in your mouth to others, while they themselves can not do anything. And no one has any concrete evidence of his theories, I'm honest, and I'm offended that the honest players are locked for a reason.
@Dipshit
She just kupilas from the players who have left the game, and while she waited 5t minutes, we had time to kill her 19 times, and a couple of times when it carried the throne we have killed her, and so she Pharma towers, etc. because of this, such gpm with leavers.
Congrats on everyone that exploit that kind of shitty people,I find myself getting frustrated many times with the matchmaking but things like that show us that at least there are people that care about this game and the community.Ban all of their IP's and send them bcak to LOL or HON we dont want these kind of crap in Dota 2.Oh and for closing i just want to ask those LEGIT and HARD WORKING guys that have that amazing scores this:Even if u believe that u dont something wrong and u are legit( :S ) just think about how many newcoming players to dota that try to learn and enjoy this awesome game u send away with that kind of bullshit
http://dotabuff.com/players/150176505
http://dotabuff.com/players/150182796
http://dotabuff.com/players/150382223
http://dotabuff.com/players/150116760
http://dotabuff.com/players/150724530
http://dotabuff.com/players/151088776
http://dotabuff.com/players/150295876
You expect any one to believe any of you got those KDA's fairly? Every game where you guys have done "exceptionally well" there are no account details for any of those players. I would just leave this game altogether as it is pretty clear to the community you have no idea how to even play this game and stats are more important to you than simply play skill.
Sorry but it has to be said that I think this game would be better off without the likes of your kind.
@OP
You think you are better then these guys? http://dotabuff.com/players
@6_din_49
We were there, and who now occupies the top one has a very bad player
http://prntscr.com/1yqk14
www.youtube.com/watch?v=odaO1QQw8mc
OP, suppose all these games were legitimate. Even then, you wouldn't qualify for the rankings.
Whether intentionally or not, you are constantly matched up against opponents of poor skill. The rankings show players of considerable skill who perform outstandingly against skilled opponents in the Very High Bracket.
Be it through underhand means or simply a cruel fate, you are constantly matched against noobs. Your games can be described as watching wolves hunting down rabbits. The games in the rankings can be described as watching a single lion repeatedly killing other male lions so he remains as king.
There you go.
So is occupying a top spot in a 3rd Party Dota2 rating all this game is worth to you? Why not play the game as a game and as it was originally created. I can understand wanting to get recognition as a worth while player but with the (5 at my count) smurf accounts you keep recreating how can you expect anyone to do that.
A lot of the top people don't deserve to be there with most of them with a 200 game cap with no eagerness to continue. Some do still play on their accounts but looking at the top ones a lot of the friends are shared with perhaps around 30 people all sharing accounts and friends to constantly monopolize the top rankings.
There are two kinds of people in this scenario.
1. A smurf account that goes to 200 games to get on the rankings.
2. A old account with loads of smurf friends that boost their current main account so it appears they were better than most all along but most of those accounts hold a certain % of boost since playing with smurf accounts and abusing or exploiting.
The latter is harder to combat with the account being so old it is hard to punish the account for recent transgressing whereas a new account would get this immediately as there is no background to show the user has had any other objective then achieving an unbelievable rating.
Top #1 appears to have got there just back stacking with not too many abandons and the usual we would expect with treant/wisp stacks.
Top #2 is an known abuser and plays with the likes of you and your ilk, that being said he does also play with legitimately good players as well who are also at the top (scenario 2 where players or high ranking players keep each other on top)
Top #3 got there fairly but again another abandoned smurf just to get to the top.
Top #4 a good OLD wisp player who has been winning games and comes back to the account from time to time, possibly has others but also has friends who I have played often with and who I know are quite good.
Top #4 Should be #1. He has been there since the beginning and has always been a renowned player.
If the cap is set to 500 18 people will lose that spot and it will be handed onto players with more games played. The reason for this is that it is meant to be a challenge, not a flash abuse you can get to in a month of game play. If you are in the top spot you need to deserve and earn your place there.
The sad thing is that some accounts may have legitimately have fewer games but be up there because they are good (300-500 games) but it is people like you that ruined that for everyone because your are knocking actual pro-players down the list because you managed to find a niche way of getting to the top.
Just stop.
Dear all,
This topic has gone on for long enough and I feel it's time for me to make a reply. My views do not necessarily represent the opinions of every Dotabuff staff.
1) The Top 50 players list and any other list on Dotabuff is supposed to give an indication of some of the highest level players, as Valve doesn't share too many performance stats this is our educated guess. The list is supposed to be fun, and supposed to be able to help new players learn from top players. As such we will disqualify people who does not fit this description. To fit the original purpose of these lists we are discussing ways to improve them. For example raising the minimum number of games from 200 to 500+. I believe that would be better, but this is my personal opinion and it may or may not happen.
2) I have no intention of discussing exactly how each player may have exploited. To discuss what is considered cheating and how each player may have exploited would just become a guide on how to each. Even if I discuss this in private with people who we may have tagged, I could be mentioning multiple methods of exploiting they may or may not have been using on top of what they are doing. On the known bugs list on the valve dev forums there are over 1000 bugs, some of the more severe ones have also been disabled from public view for the same reason.
3) We try our best to serve the general Dota community and making it a better place. I don't think it's productive to spend a large amount of time to reverse engineer exactly which exploits each player used. The time taken to analyse replays would be huge. We do our best to be impartial, and try our best to be accurate.
4) If someone believe they have been mistakenly tagged they can contact us.
In this case when I originally looked at the profiles and games I observed the following: (This was 19/Oct/2013 19:50 GMT +1)
"3 most recent have no one with stat share on.
4th one have 2, 1 - 500+ games 45% win rate, 2 - 50 games 30% win rate.
5th game, no one have stat share.
6th game - 1 person with stats on, 784 games 48% win rate"
At the time of this reply I check the most recent 3 games of OP again, and I observed the following:
1st game - 1 player with stats on, 101 wins - 100 losses
2nd game - 1 player with stats on, 95 wins - 93 losses
3rd game - 2 players with stats on, one with 736 wins - 736 losses, another with 781 wins 791 losses.
In 9 games there were only 2 people with barely 1 or 2 games over 50% win rate.
This is against a full 5 man stack with almost 100% win rate for all players, each have 40 to 70 wins and all have massive KDAs.
As I have said in this topic and another topic before, We will not go into detail of how they may have exploited.
The observations above is enough indication of exploits being used.
5) Fundamentally the players in OP's stack does not play against high level opponents, therefore does not show they have high MMR, therefore does not belong in our list of high level players. Please see point 1.
^ poor oleee his chances of reaching top 50in this life time just reached 0%
Ty Safe Base hopefully they listen to the hammer (since I stated the exact thing a couple hours ago :P)
@ Safe Base
It is only your judgment, any evidence of our guilt is not present, it is a MM gives us these players and we are in no way to blame, so based on this logic, the guess who does not dare to try and stop us, it's not right. We do not use, and I'm not going to make your decision as final,if you can not reliably do its job, so resigned and fired, because you can not perform competently, why do we as honest players have to suffer from your erroneous statements, this is outrageous!
You missed the fact that he said you could be doing NOTHING wrong and STILL not be allowed on the top lists
get fucked russians
You are fully how to analyze our games, and 90% of people will not have such control that we do, I ask for a retrial, etc.
Yes, the players are weak, but we have a few games on the side, and we do not choose our players, we find their MM system.
the trial is over he stated dotabuff top 50 is for people who fight against the top players and not new players
you are fully incapable of using google translate, get fucked again
You invent yourself what that garbage, and because of your guesses we have to suffer? Let the person who is engaged in it, gives me a final decision, why should I give the man who took on the job, and he duly can not even implement it, why would I need a narrow-minded person, it's not fair, and your application is just an empty shell,it does not soundly, I did not use, we can at least play with you the game look at them, so what the heck, nothing you can normally check that you are for the employee, such that the child says, I saw it was he, but when they begin to ask, you are only guided by their guesses.
you talk about suffer yet you pick the same fucking heroes against shitty opponents, you are so fucking good at this game man
get fucked by the spirit of Captain America you filthy commie cunt
And by the way just check the game through dotabuff client, there bitch hidden dotabuff 9 months ago, in which we are to blame, check all by hand, take every Steam ID and type in the search dotabuffnahodite and see!!
You are better off just using Russian I cant understand 95% of the English you try and use. At least then the russian dotabuff admin can tell you how wrong you are
It can not be compared even close to the operation.
theres a russian dotabuff admin?
Here's the match I checked on all Steam ID in your hand!!
http://dotabuff.com/matches/352563680
Clockwerk - http://dotabuff.com/players/71035743 9 Months ago
Undying - not found
SF - http://dotabuff.com/players/102533977 9 Months ago
Lifestealer - http://dotabuff.com/players/119013242 10 months ago
Mirana - http://dotabuff.com/players/115324950
Not sure exactly if he/she is russian but yes one of them speaks russian
me russian I ignorant
oh look he just threw next person under the bus lulz
no wonder aesthetic gamur appears on the ranking again
try to get 100% on eu server.
This is the best thread. I love it like a child.
Please keep on asking for a re trial and for dotabuff employees to be sacked. Please keep saying how you deserve to be in the list of top players by beating new players easily, exploit or no exploit. Please keep arguing the same case for something that means so little and gains you nothing. Please keep using google translate. Just...please!
Серьезно все, что вы делаете делает yoursselves выглядеть глупо. Я хочу сказать, почему это так важно для вас, чтобы быть в этом списке? Это не сделает вас деньги, и это ничего не значит. Если это такая важная вещь в вашей жизни, то возможно, вы должны переоценить свою жизнь? есть, очевидно, чего-то не хватает в нем. Может быть настоящих друзей жизни или собаку? Я не знаю, но, пожалуйста, ради вашего же блага, дать этой бессмысленной обсуждения и прекратить делать себе выглядеть массивного конца колокол.
Я надеюсь, что это сделал он, хотя переводчик, а также ваши английском же, чтобы вы могли понять, почему другие испытывают трудности с пониманием Вас.
anything is possible if you cheat hard enough
Better yet, make a Twitch TV account and stream your PC so we can see that you are not avoiding matches and we can check your settings. If you don't agree to do this or come up with excuse then we will assume that the ban was justified.
@Safe base, you can't evaluate the skill of players who played against us only because their Match History turned off.
For example take one match: 352681592 ( http://dotabuff.com/matches/352681592 )
How can you see 4 players with closed dotabuff and so? It's don't make this players badly or better. I just checked their old dotabuffs
Just look:
1) http://dotabuff.com/players/46108711 - opened
2) Kunkka player - 763 hours in dota not even bad
3) Nyx Assasin - 591 hours in dota + ( http://dotabuff.com/players/67850711 ) he is not new player his first game was 9 month ago
4) Disruptor - 590 hours in dota + ( http://dotabuff.com/players/103129070 ) His first game was year ago!
5) Witch Doctor - This user has not yet set up their Steam Community profile.
Ok, 4 our of 5 players are good.
Now you can check my game, look I have 4500 games and playing on very high level.
I played with pro players and very high players.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/99510882
http://dotabuff.com/matches/242178888
http://dotabuff.com/matches/120085700
Now look at this game http://dotabuff.com/matches/352871329
All players looks like skilled players.
Now look at Sand King's dotabuff - http://dotabuff.com/players/14032505 he have 41% and you automatically want to call him noob or bad player? You just live by the stereotypes in 21th century...
Safe Base, I just checked your first game and what I seen? You played on Russian region against 43% winrate guys and you fed on Drow Ranger. By your words you can't beat such a bad players with low winrate and bad KDA. How bad you are then? And if you are bad players how can you distinguish skill level of this players?
FPZ, read my previous post. Before you type more, LIVE STREAM your gaming sessions and then we will know the truth! If you don't then you are guilty, simple.
what the fuck will a stream prove? put a fucking surveillance camera in their third world 1 room apartment so we can examine everything they do.
this fpz guy has some awful stats, his winrate is merely 50% from stacking constantly, no wonder he has to abuse against new players to win.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/349987146
LOL
FPZ, you are the least credible person here, fuck off
http://dotabuff.com/players/48614718/matches?hero=&game_mode=captains_draft&match_type=real
A stream will prove they are not dodging matches like has been claimed that they all click accept only when the match pops on all players and they have some dodgy language selections.
a surveillance camera will ensure the fact that freedom is intact and those commie fucks don't have anything behind their sleeves
if you're not a patriot then you are simply on their side.
http://dotabuff.com/players/48614718/matches?hero=&game_mode=captains_draft&match_type=real
LOL at the BOTS! Using bots, ........or multiboxing!
@Terrible, @Get Dota Bet
10 games for 4500+ games means nothing.
"b-but it doesn't mean anything"
http://dotabuff.com/players/48614718/matches?hero=&game_mode=captains_draft&match_type=real
http://dotabuff.com/players/48614718/matches?hero=&game_mode=captains_draft&match_type=real
All those Captains draft games and not one over 8 minutes!
Nope, nothing fishy here at all. Obviously totally legit. Nothing to see here. I mean, 8 minutes draft matches are common. Yup. Sure are. I watch them all the time. Yup. I do. Yup.