General DiscussionBest X player to WATCH, X=insert your hero of choice

LONE DRUID [A]DMIRALBULLDOG
CHEN: PUPPEY / [a]kke
PL : AUI_2000

Shamelessly bumping and adding a few things to my own thread, forgot these;

Puck = Dendi (there are a lot more players to add here though)
Meepo = Notail, Waga

Also bumping for a good QoP (probably just watch Mushi for that one tbh), a good Tinker and a good Mirana player as well.

http://www.datdota.com/heroes.php - pick the hero u like, go to 'stats' and look who plays it best/has the highest winrate on it.

then proceed to the replays of ti3 that u can access ingame for free and find games where he played it, put him on player perspective, watch and learn

^Thanks a bunch for the website, I didn't know of that one. That's another thing I do to learn, I have a list of TI3 replays I'm going through still and it's a great advice I feel.

Regarding Invoker, Ferrari 430 is much better than iceiceice and Dendi. I really do not approve of icex3's skill and item build. However, Icex3 still does very well with invoker because he has great awareness, positioning, and response time.

^Definitely will check more of his stuff then. I knew he is a great Invo but I haven't checked his profile in ages, will get on that now :D

Icex3 is indeed amazing with that response time, I just felt that his general invo skill use was also quite elegant. Also lands some ridiculous Sun Strikes xD

Tinker:

Chains http://dotabuff.com/players/61061435
HNS http://dotabuff.com/players/70356987
me (just kidding, don't do it)

^Love you bro, wanted Tinker as well, he's so much fun.

Where do you watch blitz stream? Big fan but no time for live streams :( twitch?

Twitch, I usually can't catch him live so I usually just watch his past broadcasts for Storm/Timber games ^_^

Just adding to what has been mentioned already
Mushi in general.
r1sk - natures prophet
Puck + weaver - mason
Timbersaw - 04
Clock - Kabu

Edit: op make a list with heroes in alphabetical order (you can chuck it on word and use the sort function)

edit2:
pl + troll - beesa (why did you say aui?)
AM - BurNIng
TA - I don't know about "best", but BRICKS is really good

Singsing kunkka is a fun one to watch.

Xtinct's Visage is a pleasure to watch
Akke's Chen intimidates me
Dendi's TA, too
and i watched some daredevil moves too by Jay's (Mineski) Puck

Alchemist Xboct http://dotabuff.com/players/89625472
Anti-Mage Burning http://dotabuff.com/players/90892734
Bane Banana http://dotabuff.com/players/89217927
Batrider Funn1k http://dotabuff.com/players/86723143
Beastmaster xaio8 http://dotabuff.com/players/98887913
Bloodseeker
Bounty Hunter Admiral Bulldog http://dotabuff.com/players/76482434
Brewmaster Ferrari_430 http://dotabuff.com/players/88585077
Bristleback Beesa http://dotabuff.com/players/43908335
Broodmother Murs http://dotabuff.com/players/90586993
Centaur Warrunner
Chaos Knight TC http://dotabuff.com/players/67601693
Chen Akke http://dotabuff.com/players/41288955
Clinkz Black http://dotabuff.com/players/21289303
Clockwerk Bulba http://dotabuff.com/players/30237211
Crystal Maiden Akke http://dotabuff.com/players/41288955
Dark Seer
Dazzle
Death Prophet Vaikiss http://dotabuff.com/players/86777307
Disruptor
Doom
Dragon Knight
Drow Ranger
Earthshaker
Elder Titan TC http://dotabuff.com/players/67601693
Enchantress Fluffnstuff http://dotabuff.com/players/41470731
Enigma Puppey http://dotabuff.com/players/87278757
Faceless Void Loda http://dotabuff.com/players/101495620
Gyrocopter FATA http://dotabuff.com/players/86799300
Huskar
Invoker Grimorum
Io EGM http://dotabuff.com/players/3916428
Jakiro Puppey http://dotabuff.com/players/87278757
Juggernaut Loda http://dotabuff.com/players/101495620
Keeper of the Light EGM http://dotabuff.com/players/3916428
Kunkka Singsing http://dotabuff.com/players/19757254
Leshrac
Lich Relentless http://dotabuff.com/players/103176226
Lifestealer Xboct http://dotabuff.com/players/89625472
Lina
Lion
Lone Druid Admiral Bulldog http://dotabuff.com/players/76482434
Luna Zhou http://dotabuff.com/players/90137663
Lycanthrope Puppey http://dotabuff.com/players/87278757
Magnus S4 http://dotabuff.com/players/41231571
Medusa
Meepo Neopets http://dotabuff.com/players/15478778
Mirana Loda http://dotabuff.com/players/101495620
Morphling Loda http://dotabuff.com/players/101495620
Naga Siren
Nature's Prophet Admiral Bulldog http://dotabuff.com/players/76482434
Necrolyte
Night Stalker Ferrari_430 http://dotabuff.com/players/88585077
Nyx Assassin Fear http://dotabuff.com/players/87177591
Ogre Magi
Omniknight
Outworld Devourer TC http://dotabuff.com/players/67601693
Phantom Assassin Loda http://dotabuff.com/players/101495620
Phantom Lancer Zhou http://dotabuff.com/players/90137663
Puck Dendi http://dotabuff.com/players/70388657
Pudge Dendi http://dotabuff.com/players/70388657
Pugna
Queen of Pain Hao http://dotabuff.com/players/88508515
Razor TC http://dotabuff.com/players/67601693
Riki Loda http://dotabuff.com/players/101495620
Rubick Kuroky http://dotabuff.com/players/82262664
Sand King Chaun http://dotabuff.com/players/88553213
Shadow Demon CTY
Shadow Fiend Mushi http://dotabuff.com/players/89871557
Shadow Shaman TC http://dotabuff.com/players/67601693
Silencer
Skeleton King
Skywrath Mage Dendi http://dotabuff.com/players/70388657
Slardar
Slark Korok http://dotabuff.com/players/1185644
Sniper Loda http://dotabuff.com/players/101495620
Spectre Beesa http://dotabuff.com/players/43908335
Spirit Breaker
Storm Spirit Korok http://dotabuff.com/players/1185644
Sven Black http://dotabuff.com/players/21289303
Templar Assassin Ferrari_430 http://dotabuff.com/players/88585077
Tidehunter
Timbersaw TameMyWild http://dotabuff.com/players/86840554
Tinker
Tiny Aui200 http://dotabuff.com/players/40547474
Treant Protector
Troll Warlord
Tusk
Undying
Ursa EternalEnvy http://dotabuff.com/players/43276219
Vengeful Spirit Aui200 http://dotabuff.com/players/40547474
Venomancer Maelk http://dotabuff.com/players/59457413
Viper TC http://dotabuff.com/players/67601693
Visage xFreedom http://dotabuff.com/players/82630959
Warlock
Weaver EternalEnvy http://dotabuff.com/players/43276219
Windrunner Synderen http://dotabuff.com/players/4281729
Witch Doctor
Zeus Merlini http://dotabuff.com/players/67760037

So many good players...its really too hard to pick one. But here are a few examples^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sorry Relentless but this guy http://dotabuff.com/players/49382246 is way better slark than Korok :D

I don't think I've seen him play it. I have seen Korok crush the best players in the world with his slark. That is why he is on my list.

insta-stole this list, thanks a bunch Relentless <3

I haven't seen too many of his matches, and it looks like he smurf stacks a lot now, but Jrb is worth mentioning.
http://dotabuff.com/players/114030703

I'd also put down Xtinct for Chen as well

edit: lmfao grimorum for invoker, nice list relentless

Holy shit relentless does it again! This guy is a God on here or something.

For Meepo I like watching RatDota, he is on twitch.

Grimorum for invoker http://dotabuff.com/players/125168907

btw, he has commended in this post :D

cook is better than grimorum http://dotabuff.com/players/17124907

Relentless list is well done but most of those players don't even have those heroes on their top heroes. So how exactly did you make this list?

Btw bone7 for Clockwerk Dark Seer and Batrider.

There are many players that are excellent at many heroes. These are all players who I have seen play exceptionally well on the hero. Nearly all of them did this in a pro tournament. Sadly I have yet to see a pro player who is really better at Lich than me...that should not be true...but sadly it is, because every pro lich has just not been very good. The top50 list for Lich is also disappointing...its players who simply have extremely high DBR and tons of games and happen to have played some Lich.

hmm it looks like this guy http://dotabuff.com/players/9757015
might be legit

lmfao

Top 50 list is a complete lie.

Also 7ckingmad (the guy from Quantic) plays a really good Bane as well.

Sometimes people overrate pro players... they sometimes suck a lot with heroes they don't play much. In the last game of Quantic vs Rattlesnake, Sochska played the worst Tinker I've ever seen in a competitive match. I'm not lying when I say I would've done better.

yes you are

maybe

It's sort of a trick question to add chen to the list. God, that is boring no matter who you watch doing. Ok, I see he has some creeps. Right, he is smoking. All right, he used his ultimate to heal people. Ok, he has 3 stupid fucking creeps moving in different directions and he's using his skills.

Yeah, it's hard. That's not the point. It's just so god damned boring to see.

Right well, you have 5 times Sochska's games on Tinker, higher win rate, Far higher KDA...and your pub games are going to be only slightly easier than his. I would not be surprised at all if you would do better than his crappy performance that game. Over the long term, say he plays 90 more games of practice to catch up to you...after that maybe he is a better Tinker. But that game, sure you would have done better.

Relentless, add me on steam. I see your top heroes are all bitch baby support. That's just the type of player with whom I enjoy queueing.

Thus, I spoke.

lmao relentless
you clearly have no fucking idea how to play dota or how dota is supposed to be played

What now you are jealous of sano? lol

@Vandal, yeah we can probably play some. I make ppl look good that is why they love me despite me talking to much. | :- )
I'm going to be busy most of this weekend however...too many birthday parties to attend.

no, actually it's your lich that's giving me an erection
when that hero becomes meta IG.Int.Relentless will be feared all over the world
lich first ban incoming

lol NO. They just keep casting the ult wrong. Its very sad. I'm watching the game and I'm saying NOW! do it NOW! and they just fail it every time...actually pros pretty much all cast it too early. Its really not possible to just "delta split" Chain frosts if you cast them right.

makes sense
you shout NOW but they don't do it because they've already used it before because they're all doing it too early

Yeah it's fairly effective to tell people who can't hear me to do something they already did. Poor Lich.

It's always possible to split and avoid chain frost hitting all the team. unless it's in a black hole or chronosphere or in RP or in vacuum into familiar 9 second stun. which are also hard to land on many heroes by themselves.

Sure, its "possible" to try to run away...but there are plenty of times where you are not stunned and running away will be certain to lose the teamfight. The simplest way to think about it is...cast when they must move in to act correctly...sure they could say "oh look we are going to lose 2 cores in the next 3-4 seconds...but Lich cast chain frost so I'll watch them die....either way they lose.

It really is not possible to effectively teamfight without there being a short period of time that you have to be in a 575 range of allied heroes to get your job done. Spell ranges are to short for it to be otherwise. If a team does try to just dodge around in-and-out, you will win the fight...they will fail their coordination, and you DON'T CAST CHAIN FROST. Like so many big ults, threat of ult is worth as much as the ult itself. You just wait and cast it to punish them when they mess up. Alll you have to do is get it right once and they will fear that teamwipe all game long.

Someone with dotabuff plus can please show me some good players that actually play Death Prophet? Thanks since now.

@ fuckthezero no, actually it's your lich that's giving me an erection
when that hero becomes meta IG.Int.Relentless will be feared all over the world
lich first ban incoming

ROFL this sh1t be hilariouz

:( for the lack of merlini

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