anybody who still max E have brain issues.
You noob I only level up 1 and 3 until it max.
I tried the current Bloodseeker.
He is literally a solid hero thanks to the armor buffs.
We might get to see more of him, as pos 1, especially paired with mids like Sky, Lina, Zeus and QoP these nuke heroes to give him the starting umph in fights.
Maybe the chinese teams who favour him will try to run him mid where he might do alright (maybe). He is absolute rubbish A grade tier 1 crap as a pos 1 carry. It's laughable.
And you know what buff Icefrog will give him after TI is done? Probably just another bloodrite cooldown, like make it 10/9/8/7. What a joke. All he needs to do is make thirst actually fucking good again by returning the scaling to 100-25 and the hero will instantly be god tier.
yeah, make another braindead no skill needed hero with broken E
like we dont have windranger already
All he needs is ability to always snowball. Because if he doesn't snowball he is worthless. He's a win more hero. Either you win more or you lose with him.
The hero has a place in the meta. He’s good against cores that rely on mobility to function. He’s bad against cores that can stand their ground and fight.
The key problem is that they have this BS pick and OG moved pango to 4 so the BS doesn’t counter a core.
You can't take LULquid against the best team in world as a solid example.
NaVi against VP on the other hand...
So can anybody see a bloodseeker turning around and getting a 1 v 5 rampage after half their team gets wiped like RTZ did with lifestealer? Yep - no way. He would get stun locked and bursted down easily because of how bloodrage makes him take damage - and only heals him at the end, unlike feast which heals during the combat.
literally no other hero can do that, only lifestealer can, can you please try to not sound so stupid
Well I just had to check this guy’s profile and most played is Bloodseeker. Most common lane is jungle.
And despite still having a 60% winrate he’s calling for buffs to the hero.
Okay.
What is wrong with this guy. I think his username was Muranjii or something before. Always bitching about how Bloodseeker isn't strong enough.
Get the fuck over it man, X hero won't always be top of the food chain. After TI ends there will be a shake up patch at some point and our current picks will change.
This is the life Icefrog has promised us. Learn to walk his slippery frozen path... or keep crying on forums about BS.
@glimmer of dawn yeah that was during 2015 when the jungle was broken because if you got the bounty rune and farmed the small camp you would be level 2 by minute 1 and would immediately get extra damage from thirst, with blood rage and a qb you would be hitting for 100 damage at minute 1 and could usually get level 6 at the same time as your mid hero (though I sometimes took him mid or safelane and he was just as strong).
Nowadays he sucks in any place except mid and it’s a toss up whether you win or lose.
Just went back and looked at some of my old bloodseeker matches. Went godlike so many times I ended up inscribing a godlike spree gem into his mask - currently at 13 - good times. Dota was so much simpler back then. Select bloodseeker and bet win for easy sets.
“It’s a toss up whether you win or lose”- and that’s a bad thing... why?
I play bloodseeker, not often but I see him as a niche pick. Won 6 lost 4 this season. And that’s pre buff.
Situational pick, what’s wrong with that?
^ every thing is wrong about that, why not bloodseeker be a another windranger? brainless hero for every body?
Just went back and looked at some of my old bloodseeker matches. Went godlike so many times I ended up inscribing a godlike spree gem into his mask - currently at 13 - good times. Dota was so much simpler back then. Select bloodseeker and bet win for easy sets.
It's because people are less retarded now. You can't afk jungle into 13-14 minutes radiance and win by default now, people knows how to exploit your weak lanes
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4971535610
Pick bloodseeker to counter slark - lose because the slark is played by Ana lol.
icefrog prior to the tournament: “all he needs is some more armour and a Bloodrite cooldown”.
Well yes if you pick out specific games, it's possible to cherrypick stats to prove your point.
The following youtube clip debunks this guy who claims Global Warming/ Climate Change isn't true, in fact we've had 9 years of Global Cooling. Long story short, the climate change sceptic zooms into the graph and chooses to show a trend where the global temperature drops. But obviously he's bullshitting.
https://youtu.be/fbW-aHvjOgM?t=242
Anyway, you can find stats for pro dota games here:
https://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/hero-stats
Winrates for heroes over the last year:
Bloodseeker has 53% winrate from 98 games, for 22nd place.
For reference, Windranger, which people have consistently complained is OP, has 49% winrate from 75 games for 69th place.
And these Bloodseeker winrates are mostly before the buffs you mention in your OP. Bloodseeker is more than viable, the stats show that he's at least above average, if not strong.
nobody saying windranger is OP. she is cancer and annoying. like techies. of course hero sucks in pro scene. ppl not braindamaged there :)
I Climbed from ancient to divine by spamming BS mid though .. don’t think it really matters at low skill bracket below immortals
@Yda There's no need to make shit up man.
If OP, the BS God, can't win consistently with BS, then the hero is obviously trash. It's not possible to be a BS player and be a higher rank than OP.
OP is the alpha and omega of balance. One day Icefrog will see the light.
ETdAWESOME, this is true. He used to be an auto win hero for me. Then you go back and look at where he stopped being an auto win hero - it was right at the end of patch 6.85. I actually used to be top 96% percentile on the hero and to be that high on the hero when you are this low in the skill bracket is pretty good - for comparison atm after tanking my winrate on him im only 89% and most of the rest of my hero ranking percentiles are between 85% for other heroes I'm good at like Zeus and 75% for heroes I absolutely hopeless on which works out about right considering my mmr rank.
Obviously there are a few games I've had where I've still performed like he used to (like this one - https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4591116503) but most of the post nerf matches have shown how weak he is since it made it harder to snowball and if you don't snowball he is really really bad to play from behind with.
On another Note it says on DB forums that Bloodseeker counters alchemist yet i felt that he just Shat on me.
Can anyone elaborate please?
Being bad at a game is a relative term.
Being immortal, I'm trash compared to pro players. Irredeemable trash to anyone with a leaderboard number.
That's why I'll keep trying to climb ;)
BS is still extremely strong in certain midlane matchups. He just isn’t an autowin hero anymore. Which is good, no hero should ever have that level of “autowin” ability after a bit of snowball, without a skill factor.
Also, you bring up his performances in pro games. Even in ti5, where he was a prominent carry pick, he had a shit winrate in general. He’s always been a high-risk medium reward hero in the pros. For the longest time, he was a clown hero to pick in tournaments.
anybody who plays bloodseeker
is a
mongolooid
Glad that you acknowledge you are one with us mongolooids Kowareta
Main event is going to be very interesting (and probably disappointing). Given only team to have played bloodseeker twice is Navi and they’ll be kicked out early in the main stage. Perhaps one of the Chinese teams have been saving him as a secret strat.
Over all pretty bad performance in the group stage. Picked 4 times, only won once. Wasn’t even good as a counter pick to slack which is his main niche. I can only hope that post TI thirst gets buffed back to a proper vision threshold (25% is so low it is basically almost never relevant). 33% at least should be where it kick in. The old 50% would be best but I doubt he’ll let it go back to that.
Underlord also did not do good, about the same performance as bloodseeker despite getting buffed over and over for each of the small balance patches leading to TI. He will probably get some sort of further leaning buff like extra armour or move speed given how much he was pushed - only for all the teams to turn around and say “you know who is a really good hero? Elder titan!” despite not being touched for years.
Funnily the one game underlord won was when they ran him mid. Maybe should be run as a mid rather than an offlaner...
First day of main stage and who is being picked? Oh gyro and Sven?
Wow those haven’t been the most popular carries at TI since like, the last TI.
The good thing about this is it will prove to icefrog how bad the hero currently is when he gives him all these little buffs and they do nothing. So post TI rather than a nerf like gyro, ET, ogre, pos 4 tiny etc are getting he will get another buff - and hopefully a substantial one.
Something like thirst attack speed to 40/55/70/85 and returning the talent to provide more than just movespeed (no idea why this wasn’t fixed when it was changed).
Aghs should also be changed to 3 charges of Bloodrite. Being able to cover a huge area of a team fight in an an aoe silence is an actually useful thing. Like, actually makes him not totally a one trick pony. That is what is needed to make him picked in pro games.
If BS being a common pick in pro games is your goal, then you better be hoping for a rework, not a buff.
BS, particularly his Thirst mechanic is inherently unbalanced, and combined with his Q's no-mana-cost healing is the main source of his incredibly feast-or-famine gameplay.
I'm fine with BS being strong if BS being strong doesn't make him a no-skill faceroll hero. Whenever BS is strong, he's too strong.
I'm always pleased when I see my favorite heroes lose or get ignored in important tournament games.
Ok I'm going to have one last try and try to expand on DemonicTrashcan's post a bit, because there's a really important point to be made here.
While designing dota, there's more than just the consideration of balance. There's also aspects of Fun to play, fun to play against, as well as the differences between pro and pub dota and ease of execution.
So I think everyone can agree a hero should be fun to play. And I hope that most people would agree that heroes shouldn't be super duper unfun to play against. This is why a lot of people hate techies and would want to see him removed from the game, despite the hero having less than 50% winrate.
There's also heroes like meepo that are allowed to be that strong because they have horrible ease of execution. I haven't seen a single post crying about Meepo and his excellent winrate at all tiers. Perhaps there's a booster effect skewing the data, but this hero is strong in pubs. If you gave a hero like Ogre Magi the power level of Meepo everyone would cry on these forums, myself included.
Finally, there's the difference between pubs and pro.
Riki and Weaver are basically non-existent in pro games right now. Is that because they are UP? Maybe. But if you buffed them to be viable at pro play, I promise you they would be everywhere in pub play and make the game super unfun.
Bloodseeker is in a fine place because he's a situational pick in pro and not overly strong for pubs. His winrate is fine in pro as I mentioned before. If you want him to be a common pick in pubs as well as pro then as DemonicTrashcan said he needs a rework, since his current ease of execution combined with snowball potential would make him oppressive with any measure of buffs.
This is actually so good. Main stage almost done and not picked at all. Almost all the Chinese teams kicked out so he’s not likely to be appearing in any pocket strats.
Going to finally get a real buff post TI since all the “hey look at this hero” buffs he got did nothing. I finally have hope.
Literally half the remaining teams are chinese. How are almost all the CN teams kicked out?
A really impressive performance by Bloodseeker.
The following "look at me" buffs were given prior to TI:
Movespeed buffed from 285 to 300.
Base armour from 0 to 2.
Bloodrite cooldown from 18/16/14/12 to 12, mana cost from 100 to 70/80/90/100, damage from 120/160/200/240 to 125/175/225/275.
Gets picked 4 times and loses 3 in the whole group and main stage. Even as a counter to mobile heroes like Ember, Slark and Weaver. Think the balancer in chief might take a hint...?
hey mr murranji
druid picked 6 times and lost all of them
despite the hero is stronger in pro scene
now can u shut up?
as long as i see , as a bs player, hero is fine and balanced
yeah
its not alchemist u pick it every game, sry. its not braindead
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https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4967721543
Absolutely destroyed.
What a joke.