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    Never bothered to analyze my own replays before only relied on other players to do that eg bsj cookie etc

    Was thniking of analyzing my own replays from now but dk what to look for

    any help thanks

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      help....

      Cptn.Canuck

        Find a moment in the game where something goes right, or goes wrong. Teamfights, lane kills, ganks, etc. Whatever you feel went well or bad, look at that play, then rewind 30 seconds.

        Watch the replay from there at half speed. Look at how every hero moves and reacts. Often fights in Dota are determined by what a team has going into a fight, and not necessarily the things they do in the fight.

        Maybe you tried to burst someone down, but they survived and popped a mek, and then their team teleports and reacts and gets kills. If you had better foresight, you'd have been able to understand that your heroes didn't quite have enough damage to get that kill in the 3 seconds it takes for a TP to complete.

        This is how you build game sense. Take note not only of how things went wrong, but step it back a bit and ask yourself how you could have changed your decision before you committed. Next time you'll be able to say "Don't go, we don't have enough damage, just farm." and your team won't waste time and deaths trying to do something unmanageable.

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          Thanks cap

          Feachairu

            capnada saves the day again

            CUTNPASTE

              Imo watching your own replays is pretty garbage. I'd qualify most mistakes into two categories: obvious and opaque.

              Obvious errors are errors that you knew when it happened: ie you over extended and got ganked, or you forgot to click your bkb, or you dived too hard in a teamfight. The feedback for those type of errors is immediate and obvious, watching the replay doesn't help you solve obvious errors at all because you knew it was a bad idea at the time when it happened. The best way to fix obvious errors is simply grinding until you don't make dumb mistakes, until the right decision becomes second nature, until tread-switching becomes as easy as breathing.

              Opaque errors are harder to determine and even harder to rectify. Maybe your farming pattern was inefficient? Maybe you went the wrong item build? Maybe you could've pushed out lanes harder? The key thing is these type of errors almost always relate to decision making, which at its core is the 'hard' part of dota. If you had all the available information during the game and you made the wrong decision, how is watching the replay going to help? Even if you could determine that you made a mistake, how could you determine a better course of action? Maybe you should have pushed out 3 more waves top? Or maybe 2? Or maybe 4 and then manta dodge the axe call? It's pretty much impossible to determine what the correct course action is with any certainty.

              The best way to improve watching replays is is to watch OTHER PLAYERS games. More specifically, those that are better than you. When they make a decision that you would not have made, you know that generally it was probably a more correct decision. Once you have a better idea of what the right decisions are, you can internalize the logic behind them with a bit of critical thinking. 'Miracle pushed 3 waves here where I would've pushed 1 because he knew he would be able to dodge the gank. The best way to watch these replays is from player perspective, imagine you are that player and try to predict ahead what moves they would make. Whenever they do something different, pause and think about why they did something differently - usually you can figure it out.

              High level pub players are infinitely more valuable than pro games if you are seeking to improve your pub gameplay as well. This is because a lot of pro gameplay is based on insane levels of teamplay and the expectation that your teammates will followup on calls.

              If you are really sold on watching your own replays I highly recommend getting a friend to go over it with you. Having an outsiders perspective is infinitely more valuable as they can bring a different perspective to light. Bonus points if the friend is better at dota then you, but that can be hard sometimes.

              Rocket

                Yep. Much more effective to watch a higher skilled player’s replay and figure out why they chose what they chose

                Cptn.Canuck

                  What's even better than watching high level players though, is playing against high level players and watching what you do against them and them against you. I always recommend that players looking to get better play in a competitive setting with a team, and try to get scrims, or get through open qualifiers or weekend tournaments to play against better teams. Some of my most insightful games ever have been when I played against EG, or Wheel, or Fire, or PotM Bottom or other teams in open quals. It not only lets you see what pros do, it lets you see exactly how you're reacting to better players and why it's wrong.

                  Watching replays of your own games is tough because your opponents are at the same level and likely making many of the same mistakes as you. You'll get away with things you shouldn't and they'll look just fine to you.

                  Watching replays of pro players is also tough because they're making assumptions about their teammates and opponents play that won't be relevant to your level. Your team might not follow up, or the enemy team might not react and punish quickly.

                  ETd

                    Simple answer, don’t watch replays kek